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Mayor of Southampton 1853 help
« on: Tuesday 30 October 07 09:00 GMT (UK) »
I recently had one of those marvelous genealogy days ! Tracing my maternal line, I realised I had made an error in identifying my great great grandmother who I believed was Harriet Prior from Hampshire. But the marriage certificate to my great great grandfather John Cole proved this wrong.

She was actually Harriet Tucker, the daughter on one John Traffells Tucker ( nice name for tracing ! )

We all get so used to delving into the nineteenth century records to find our distant past lost in agricultural labourers, cotton mill workers and the occasional cobbler, that this was a great surprise. John Traffells Tucker was an auctioneer, alderman and JP of 32 Above Bar street who was Mayor of Southampton in 1853. I even found an online oil painting of him in southampton art gallery.

I have found lots of census material, his death in 1882 and some great stuff in plimsolllines collection of directories. But any other information OR suggestions of where to discover more would be gratefully received.

It also seems that 32 Above bar street was a fine Georgian Residence adjacent to Aslatt's coach manufactory http://www.antiquemapsandprints.com/SCANSb/b-9810.JPG

Was this area bombed during WW2, is there anything left ?

All help and suggestions much appreciated,
Stockton, Manchester,Ireland
Batt , Hertfordshire
Fuller, Hertfordshire, London, UK
Hooper, Barnstaple
Cole, Poplar , Aldgate
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Re: Mayor of Southampton 1853 help
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 31 October 07 21:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ted,

Yes, the area of the High St & Above Bar  & Below Bar (referring to above/below the Bargate) were heavily bombed in WW11.  I had a look at the pic & don't recognise it as a building still standing although, to me, it does remind me of the old Odean cinema which stood where the Virgin record store is now (I avoid the town centre at all costs & it might well be a different store now).  But I'm sure someone else might shed more light on it for you.

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Re: Mayor of Southampton 1853 help
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 01 November 07 00:49 GMT (UK) »
32-34 Above Bar is WH Smiths

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Re: Mayor of Southampton 1853 help
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 01 November 07 12:14 GMT (UK) »
32-34 Above Bar is WH Smiths

In that case, it got destroyed in WW11 :(
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Re: Mayor of Southampton 1853 help
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 01 November 07 12:23 GMT (UK) »
32-34 Above Bar is WH Smiths

In that case, it got destroyed in WW11 :(

Quite often the buildings were damaged during WWII then destroyed after WWII as councils cleared areas to build brick boxes.  In some towns it is said that the town planners did more damage than the Luftwaffe.

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Re: Mayor of Southampton 1853 help
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 01 November 07 16:33 GMT (UK) »
32-34 Above Bar is WH Smiths

In that case, it got destroyed in WW11 :(

Quite often the buildings were damaged during WWII then destroyed after WWII as councils cleared areas to build brick boxes.  In some towns it is said that the town planners did more damage than the Luftwaffe.

Martin Briscoe
Southampton was particularly "blessed" by particularly non visionary planners in the Above Bar area... lots of nice bits left within the old walls though. Alas Southampton planning dept is still rather anti Southampton to this day!

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Re: Mayor of Southampton 1853 help
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 13 July 08 04:43 BST (UK) »
My great great grandfather was Henry Cole, brother of John Cole. Henry married Julia Tucker, which implies that two brothers married two sisters.

Your great great grandfather was latterly station master at Bethnal Green station. I have a book which has been handed down entitled "Our Iron Roads". This was bought by my great grandfather John Traffells Cole, in his memory.

You probably know that your great great grandfather was widowed early in his life, and for that reason his sister Sarah, and latterly his sister Harriet, both kept house for him. Coles and Tuckers were resident in the Gosport area for many years, and both families worshipped at Holy Trinity in the town.

I hope the abovementioned information is of some use to you.

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Re: Mayor of Southampton 1853 help
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 07 December 08 15:13 GMT (UK) »
I recently had one of those marvelous genealogy days ! Tracing my maternal line, I realised I had made an error in identifying my great great grandmother who I believed was Harriet Prior from Hampshire. But the marriage certificate to my great great grandfather John Cole proved this wrong.

She was actually Harriet Tucker, the daughter on one John Traffells Tucker ( nice name for tracing ! )

We all get so used to delving into the nineteenth century records to find our distant past lost in agricultural labourers, cotton mill workers and the occasional cobbler, that this was a great surprise. John Traffells Tucker was an auctioneer, alderman and JP of 32 Above Bar street who was Mayor of Southampton in 1853. I even found an online oil painting of him in southampton art gallery.

Hello,

You might already know this but John Traffells Tucker, not only served as Mayor of Southampton in 1853, he was also appointed deputy Mayor on May 10th 1856, 12 days before the ruling Mayor, Sampson Payne, died.  On May 31 1856 Richard Andrews was elected as Mayor but he resigned on Dec 22nd.
John Traffells Tucker had also served as Sheriff of Southampton in 1849.

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