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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 08 November 07 20:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi Larry

Well, I went down to Stratford place this afternoon, but despite me sending Bob the foreman an e-mail last night, he had forgoten that I was going down and was very embarrassed that he had a meeting to go to.
Although I could not go anywhere else in the building, he did say I could wander around the ground floor of No 40 but was unable to get into No 39 - but Bob said that if I go down nest wednesday, he will take me around.

I managed to take this picture of No 39 from the back - (the little building)

Sorry mate, but it is a bit out of my hands at the moment

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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #28 on: Friday 09 November 07 12:43 GMT (UK) »
That's really not a bad thing Chris, in fact the rear of the building actually gives a rather effective image of what it would have looked like back then. I do realize of course changes have taken place, but it does offer a window (wow, what a pun) into where they lived (over the store) and I'm gald to add it to my archives. Whatever you get is a bonus, I'm sure that these guys have a lot of things to do during any given workday, and their priority is hardly genealogy guys chasing down 150 year old history. And of course I do very much appreciate it!
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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 10 November 07 12:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi Larry

Just been doing some thinking (yes, I did have a lie down afterwards) whilst looking at the pictures of the rear of the houses - If you was a jeweller/watchmaker in the 1800's when there was no electricity and you had to rely on candles or paraffin lamps - you would want as much natural light as possible to enable you to do your work, hence the very big windows at the top of the building.
This follows on from my own ancestral research where my ancestors were silk weavers and again had large windows to the upstairs of their houses in Macclesfield.
Looking at this picture you can really see how a small building was wedged inbetween larger ones.  The very big one on the right is Palace Chambers used to be called Seaside Hotel and obviously the buildings on the left are Rock & co's Carriage Works
As a matter of interest, have you followed James backwards and got his parents, and found out how he aquired his watchmakers skills?

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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 10 November 07 13:23 GMT (UK) »
Good morning Chris...boy do you have an active mind! Your point is absolutely valid, and I would never have thought about it. Being a watchmaker myself I do certainly know the value of good lighting. This would "enchance" the fact that even after James departed the store it remained a jewelery (and watch, and precious metal) operation for another thirty years, that I know of.
Although the website will be done soon (I might actually put it up sooner than later because the details never end), I have James' son who worked the store with his father, and after, plus I have his father, also named James. According the James' marriage certificate his father was a tailor. I do not know where James got his skills, I am quite sure he would have had to apprentice somewhere. However, I can't find James or his father in the 1841 census, so we are still digging.

And we also have Alfred George Foord another watchmaker who as of 1881 was a "jobber" and then had a store at 14 Queens Road from 1884 to 1917. Again, to date I can't nail down Alfred's parentage, and therefore can't tie the families together yet. But, it is such a bizarre surname coincidence that there must be some connection. The overall objective, besides an obvious horological interest (my father was also a watchmaker!), is to try to tie my known ancestors from Maidstone Kent to the Sussex Foord branch, but again I have issues here since I can't get back much earlier than 1850 or so on this side.

But no denying, we are having fun despite all the frustration! 
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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 10 November 07 15:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Larry

Thanks for that information, I will try and do a bit of searching from this end.
I had been looking through the hastings baptisms (census all say he was born in Hastings) and I found a James baptized 4th Feb 1829, son of James & Jane - Fisherman.  That all fits but for the occupation of Fisherman when it should be Tailor.  ??? Its a bit of a jump grom Fisherman to Tailor.
The only other James that could fit was baptized on the 3rd May 1832 the son of James & Mary - Butcher.
There are no Foord / Foorde entries for a James. :'(

By e-mail today I received the following

I have just been looking in Rootschat and followed the chat about the area around Palace Chambers.  I found it very interesting, especially as his name is Foord.
 
As you know my Chapman family were resident on The America Ground before migrating to North Street, complete with the building, but did you know this Charles Chapman was married to Ruth Foord?  Her sisters Barbara and Phoebe were also married to Chapmans and they had a brother James.  Coincidence?  The family came originally from Ashburnham.
 
I wonder if this could be the same Foord family.


Food for thought perhaps as we can not find him in Hastings.
Incidentally Chapman was the local milkman who also moved his house on his back and rebuilt it in North Street, St Leonards Picture below shows Charles Chapman and his son Charles - both early milkmen in St Leonards. He married Ruth Foord of Ashburnham in 1834, around the time the dairy was established in North Street. Edmund Chapman's brother James was a Sailor!  He died at sea at Rhodes and is buried there.  He was married to Barbara Foord, sister of Ruth Foord who married Charles.  Another sister, Phoebe Foord, married their cousin Edward.

Do you have any other info on James the father or any other members of his family - who were the witnesses on the marriage certificate, what date did they get married and where, and did it state where James was living at the time of marriage as he married a girl that was born in Lincolnshire ?

All questions and very few answers at the moment I am afraid

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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 10 November 07 17:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi Larry

Been looking at the early marriages, this one fits all of our known information

Location: Hastings All Saints, East Sussex,  Date: 31 Dec 1827:
Groom: James FOORD
Bride: Jane COLBRAN

The only other James in Hastings getting married is back in 1789
Hastings St. Clement, East Sussex,  Date:  7 Sep 1789:
James FOORD & Ann RUSSELL, St.Mary in the Castle

Any thoughts on the above

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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 10 November 07 18:22 GMT (UK) »
Larry,

As a matter of interest, are you by any chance related to Bert Foord the BBC presenter and weatherman?

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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 10 November 07 21:37 GMT (UK) »
First, Chris........stop the presses! You did it! You have the right one, I am 99.9% sure. It is long and complicated but I had all along suspected that James Foord who married Jane Colbran was the right one; and that he died prior to the 1841 census (or took off)! Again it is complex.....but......I have been away all day, just checked my mail, must go back out again, and am away tomorrow. It is unlikely I will get to this until Monday. But if only you knew how excited I am (you probably do, you've been here before), and how grateful I am! Just as soon as I can get to it I will, and will confirm here in the forum. My gosh, I wish I could find another way of saying "thanks"!
And Richard, thanks for writing. I don't know of any connection, if there is it would be very very distant. Is he handsome and good looking like me? Just kidding, thanks for your interest.
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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 10 November 07 22:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi Larry

Looking on the 1841 Census we do have
Jane Ford aged 30 born in Sussex and
James Ford aged 13 born in Sussex
both living in Bourne Street in the Old town of Hastings
No one else is listed as living at the address.

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