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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #36 on: Monday 12 November 07 12:57 GMT (UK) »
Very confused here Chris....this is just a posting to insure that the forum is working properly....I made a posting early yesterday morning that it doesn't show, plus I received an email saying that you had made a posting also, and it doesn't show.
Before I go any further I want to confirm that everything is working OK.
Larry
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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #37 on: Monday 12 November 07 14:36 GMT (UK) »
Hope this system is OK now Chris, just reply when you get caught up.

Yes, I too had the James Ford earmarked and felt quite confident that since  James always listed his birthplace as Hastings, then he should (likely, but not guaranteed) appear in the 1841 census there. And this was the only entry that matched up so very very close. However, assumption is not always enough. But, you have put it altogether. Also, there is another person living there, her name is Elizabeth Colbran.

I just revised text for the webpage, and here is the snippet which pretty much covers it:

According to James and Clara's marriage certificate, his father's name was James and his occupation was sailor (the fancy scroll writing of the day makes
this word difficult to interpret, in fact we originally thought it was tailor). And according to the Hastings Baptisms James was baptized 4th Feb 1829, son of
James and Jane Ford, occupation fisherman. James Foord does not appear in the 1841 census, however a search based on his birthday produces a James Ford (a common
spelling error, and at the correct age of 13), living with Jane Ford age 30, and Elizabeth Colbran age 60, on Bourne St in old Hastings, all reported they
were born in Sussex (the 1841 census listed counties only, and did not state relationships). Elizabeth Colbran might very well be the widow of Geroge Colbran, who was listed
in the 1840 Pigot's Directory as "gaol" (jail) keeper and living  on Bourne St. According to the early parish records, we find on 31st Dec 1827 James Foord
marrying Jane Colbran! It would appear that Jane and her son were living with her mother-in-law in the 1841 census. While it is somewhat of a safe bet that
Elizabeth was a widow, we cannot verify James' state. While he might have died prior to the 1841 census, given his occupation as fisherman and/or sailor, it is
also possible that he was "at sea". We cannot verify James' age, however his wife Jane was, according to the census, born abt 1811, and we assume
likewise for James..........'

A wee bit of irony here, James and Jane were married on my birthday. I do have some other questions and comments, but since I have been away so much I must get some work done, but wanted to get this off to you and to say thanks again. Will make another posting either later today or tomorrow with a bit more information and/or speculation.

Larry
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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #38 on: Monday 12 November 07 16:13 GMT (UK) »
Larry

I sent you several messages yesterday that have all been lost - and for the life of me I cannot remember everything that I wrote.

Some things that I can remember are that in the 1841 census, George Colbran was listed as being in the Goal House with two deputies/constables on that night; therefore his good lady (we assume) was in Bourne Street with Jane and James.
If James was a sailor in 1841, it was a tradition that they all went to sea on the night of the census and therefore never got recorded as the census particularly required people who were resident in the property on a particular night.

According to "Historic Hastings" by Manwaring Baines - George Colbran the Hastings Goaler was pensioned off at the age of 71 after 20 years service on the 4th February 1842.  He died at 9 Hill Street on November 27th 1862 at the age of 92.  In 1842 on his retirement he was listed as a widower.

Found these burials in Hastings:
COLBRAN   George   93   3   Dec   1862   Hastings, St Clements
COLBRAN   George   2   8   Oct   1838   This Parish   Clem
COLBRAN   George   35   16   Dec   1833   Hastings, St Clements
COLBRAN   Jane   51   2   Oct   1851   All Saints   
COLBRAN   George   2   8   Oct   1838   All Saints
COLBRAN   Elizabeth   77   18   Mar   1852   All Saints   

Among that list do we have George the father, George the Son and George the (Holy Ghost) Grandfather; but we do not have an Elizabeth being buried after the 1841 census and before Georges retirement in 1842 that would have make him a widower.

Cant remember any more of what I wrote
Chris

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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #39 on: Monday 12 November 07 17:05 GMT (UK) »
Larry

I also now remember telling you that I had spotted this in the 51 census:

21 St Andrews Terrace, Hastings
Foord James, Head,23, Married, Jeweller, born Hastngs
Foord Sarah, Wife, Married, 21, born in Wainfleet, Lincolnshire

Which means between 41 and 51 he must have served an apprenticeship somewhere, possibly in Hastings for him to become a jeweller.

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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #40 on: Monday 12 November 07 17:15 GMT (UK) »
I think I have lost it totally Chris.........first on George, I distinctly recall searching for him, trying to confirm my suspicion that he was dead. Totally missed it. So therefore, for the time being, we probably should assume that James was at sea based on your comments. It would be logical, whether he had died or not, that his wife and son might be living with the Colbrans.

I do have the 1851 census entry, Clara being misspelled as Sarah, a pretty easy mistake. There is no doubt that the nature of the trade required an aprenticeship, and given the ten year span between census makes it tough to find out where.

With respect to the Sussex marriages (prior to 1837 BMD registers), is this searchable? And if so, by name? Or by location?

Thanks again!
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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #41 on: Monday 12 November 07 17:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi Larry

Yes it is fully searchable - what would you like me to look for?

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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #42 on: Monday 12 November 07 21:38 GMT (UK) »
I would like, if possible and that is assuming that there is a true search (not you searching through pages and pages) all Hastings (which I assume you have done and produced two results), and all Foord/Ford marriages in Sussex prior to 1810. This is to build my database of probables, ultimately (I think) I am going to need 1700s info to tie this Foord family to my Kent Foords....or at least I pray I can..... :)
Zero rush here Chris, I have a lot ahead of me yet. Also, probably by tomorrow or next day I will have the website close enough to put it up.
So I will start a thread on it to perhaps rein in some more helpers, and I also am going to start another thread on "economics" of the time so I can get a better understand of what was going on in the UK in 1850.
Feel free to contribute anything and everything you want, you are great asset!
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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #43 on: Monday 12 November 07 21:39 GMT (UK) »
Forgot to mention, about two weeks ago I ordered the death certificates for all James Foords (four of them) that died prior to 1840. So that should either confirm that he did die, or confirm that he "at sea".
Larry
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Re: Hastings....Stratford Place vs White Rock
« Reply #44 on: Tuesday 13 November 07 12:22 GMT (UK) »
Larry

I made this posting a while ago, but it seems to have dissappeared just like some messages did yesterday together with a private message I sent you.  Perhaps we should communcate via e-mail till the system settles down again.

There are well over 500 marriages in the marriage index for the surname foord and variants, so perhaps it would be better for you to buy the CD and then you will have all marriages to hand when you have time to browse them

The Sussex Marriage Index, available from the Sussex Family History Group costing £23.10 GBP - Coverage is all known Sussex marriages between 1538-1837.
www.sfhg.org.uk/pubs-1.html

I am also sending you another private message

Chris
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