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Re: St Francis Friary, Cumberland St Glasgow
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 30 October 07 19:26 GMT (UK) »
Of course it was fun. 
Bet Tony didn't realise when he looked at my site that there would end up being a link to the Church. If you go back now, I have uploaded the photos and linked the couples name to it. Under morephotos there is an extract of their marriage.
Tony, do you reckon it would have been one of the Father's that would have performed the marriage? or would the Friary and the Church have been separate?   
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FORREST (Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Stirlingshire and Dunbartonshire)
ROONEY (Co Down, Co Antrim) 
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Re: St Francis Friary, Cumberland St Glasgow
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 30 October 07 19:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dave
Church and Friary were bound at the hip like siamese twins. Tell me the year of the marriage and I'll probably be able to tell you the name of the priest :o

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Re: St Francis Friary, Cumberland St Glasgow
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 30 October 07 20:07 GMT (UK) »
They married on 28 March 1889, so church was barely opened.
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Re: St Francis Friary, Cumberland St Glasgow
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 30 October 07 20:08 GMT (UK) »
Really Annie,
A brother is a sibling and a Father is your dad ;D

Seriously, A Franciscan  brother takes a number of vows each committing him to a life of  Poverty, Chastity & Obedience. If he is married he can join the Third Order and commit to Poverty, Fidelity & Obedience, in which case Poverty and Obedience are guaranteed ;D ;D ;D

A Father is an ordained priest who is able to celebrate mass etc. He can be a Franciscan Brother who goes on to be ordained or a Priest who chooses to subsequently join the Franciscan order.

Either way none of them are monks. Monks live in a monastery, stay in the monastery and devote themselves to God. The Franciscans are Friars, who live in a Friary, but very much work out in the community supporting the poor and needy. Hence 'Our Father' feeling the need to go off to WW1 to support his boys. (sorry gone off topic there but Annie knows what I mean)

So the task now is to sort out those other names. I have already done most as I have a database of nearly 200 Franciscans active in the Uk 1858 - 1928. the problem is they change their first name to a Franciscan Saint when they take their vows. Hence my need to see census results to check surname and year of birth.

Bet you never wished you'd asked now ;D ;D ;D

Cheers
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Re: St Francis Friary, Cumberland St Glasgow
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 30 October 07 20:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dave,
I can't guarantee this is the Priest who married them, but he was certainly the Guardian at the time. ( Guardian = Abbot, head honcho etc).

I would be honoured if you would post him to your site linked to the marriage if you could, so he gets his place in history.

I will sort out bits of his biography to add later if i have them

Very best wishes
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Re: St Francis Friary, Cumberland St Glasgow
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 30 October 07 20:35 GMT (UK) »
No sooner said than done Tony.  If I have time later, I might try and clean up the photo. 
You should maybe post some of your photos in Photo restoration.  There are plenty of folk out there that would enjoy making them clearer for you.
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ROONEY (Co Down, Co Antrim) 
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Re: St Francis Friary, Cumberland St Glasgow
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 30 October 07 20:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dave
I realised when I had sent it , it was a raw scan. I've since ran it through auto adjust and it is much sharper. Will e-mail you a copy

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Re: St Francis Friary, Cumberland St Glasgow
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 30 October 07 22:44 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Tony, that would be great.
I don't do personal thanks on my site for contributions but there is a general acknowledgment on the home page.
Consider yourself included  ;D ;D
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Re: St Francis Friary, Cumberland St Glasgow
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 30 October 07 23:26 GMT (UK) »
Really Annie,
A brother is a sibling and a Father is your dad ;D

Seriously, A Franciscan  brother takes a number of vows each committing him to a life of  Poverty, Chastity & Obedience. If he is married he can join the Third Order and commit to Poverty, Fidelity & Obedience, in which case Poverty and Obedience are guaranteed ;D ;D ;D

A Father is an ordained priest who is able to celebrate mass etc. He can be a Franciscan Brother who goes on to be ordained or a Priest who chooses to subsequently join the Franciscan order.

Either way none of them are monks. Monks live in a monastery, stay in the monastery and devote themselves to God. The Franciscans are Friars, who live in a Friary, but very much work out in the community supporting the poor and needy. Hence 'Our Father' feeling the need to go off to WW1 to support his boys. (sorry gone off topic there but Annie knows what I mean)

So the task now is to sort out those other names. I have already done most as I have a database of nearly 200 Franciscans active in the Uk 1858 - 1928. the problem is they change their first name to a Franciscan Saint when they take their vows. Hence my need to see census results to check surname and year of birth.

Bet you never wished you'd asked now ;D ;D ;D

Cheers
Tony



OK ... I was confused .... who me ??::) ::) ::)

I was thinking OFM was Order of Franciscan Monks  - but it's really Order of Friars Minor !!

OK I've "got it " now !!

Thank you !

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