Pre 1837 look up request.

[deb usa]

Hi again

There is an online document on National archives for Thomas Wolfendale of Stonehouse.

Document:
ADM 139/13/1243
Admiralty RN continous Service Engagement books
Thomas Wolfendale
DOB 29 dec 1825
Year volunteered 1853
Comments: served in RN since 1839

deb

[Stewart R]

Deb

Thankyou very much for your interest in my query. I already have many of the details you have shown but there are a few snippets of information that are of additional interest to me. I have often puzzled over the marital status of Thomas (the patient) in the 1861 census but have reasons to believe that the return could be inaccurate here, as was the case with many census returns, especially around this period. I have a copy of Minnie’s marriage certificates to my Great Grandfather, Isaac dated 1893 and 1899 (yes the are two, but that’s another story) and on both, her father is shown as Thomas Wolfendale, Sailor RN.

Your interest and information is very much appreciated, Thankyou

Regards

Stewart

[deb usa]

Hi Stewart

Glad to be of help ... albeit not a lot 

If you ordered the online admiralty document of Thomas Wolfendale (who is hopefully Minnie's dad) it may give you more details ...ie next of kin etc ....it may also give his status as to marriage etc ....

I also wonder about Minnie's birth Date, 1872 , and her mother already being a widow in 1871 .

deb

[Stewart R]

Ian

Thankyou again for the additional information you have provided. I’m travelling down to the west country at Christmas and may take a trip to Plymouth to seen If I can find the grave of James.

I would also like to thankyou for your thoughts on the maiden name of Kezia being that of Perry because additional research has revealed that her Mother and Father landed in Australia with the First Fleet back in 1788 he was a Royal Marine and had sailed with his wife (or intended) on the convict Ship “Prince of Wales” guarding 49 female and 1 male convict . There is so much information about this event as you can imagine and I feel I’ve only just scratched the surface but I feel it is you I have to thank for pointing me in this direction.

Regards

Stewart

P.s  I love this site

[Stewart R]

I also wonder about Minnie's birth Date, 1872 , and her mother already being a widow in 1871 .

deb

Hmm!! Just noticed that on your previous message
A bit of a cat amongst the pigeons here I think

Regards

Stewart

[deb usa]

Hi again

yep ... a little bit of a mystery ...

My first though when I saw the 1881 census was that Minnie (9) was Mary A jnr's (30) child and not Mary Ann snr(55). 

Have you followed them through to 1901? What happened to Mary A snr's other  daughter , Elizabeth?

deb
added>>>>. are the Boarders that are with them in1871 ...from your Reid family perhaps ?

[Plymouth_Ian]

HI Stewart,

I'm really pleased that you appear to have made a significant amount of progress with the "Wolfendales".

One word of warning though, as you probably know Plymouth was devastated in the Blitz and very little of "old" Plymouth remains.

Stonehouse is the site of a Royal Marines Barracks and is next to the civilian dock for Plymouth, Millbay or Great Western Dock so was a prime target for the Germans.

I have looked on the Devon Family History Society website to see if they have any records of burials for Wolfendales.

1 listed "Most Parishes 1813-1837" is probably James (1835).  There is another listed for "Ford Park Cemetery 1848-1867".

If you are still planning to come down, I would get in touch with them to find out who is buried there, they will be able to give you an exact location in the cemetery.

You can "Google"  Ford Park Cemetery, they have their own website.

Hope you can keep the momentum going!

Regards,

Ian

[deb usa]

Hi again

There is this marriage:
Dec q 1848, Stoke Damerel
John Thomas Perry Wolfendale
on same page ....
Mary Ann Bean
Mary Ann Collings
vol 9 pg 553

I spotted this on IGI ...it is a submitted record

Christening
Mary Ann Wolfendale
4 Dec 1848
East Stonehouse
Parents;
John Thomas Perry Wolfendale
Mary Ann Collings

hope this helps a little

deb 

[Stewart R]

My first though when I saw the 1881 census was that Minnie (9) was Mary A jnr's (30) child and not Mary Ann snr(55). 

I must admit this rather dubious scenario did cross my mind and I'd often wondered why there was such a long childless gap between the two sisters. I think an application for a birth certificate is on the cards here. 

With regard to 1901, I've not seen the census return with Mary & Mary but to be honest I've rather neglected them. I do Know that Mary jnr died in 1905 and My great grandmother Minnie had by then married my Great Grandfather and were living in Edinburgh at that time. She sadly died very young in 1903. As for the other sister Elizabeth, I lost track of her after the 1851 census and have thus far not attempted to trace her.

As for the boarders you mentioned in 1871 I don't recognize them as family but are we looking at potential fathers here Curiously in the grave of Minnie, her mother and sister also lies a man by the name of Edgar clinch "Ridd", a man who's identity is a mystery 

I thought this family tree stuff was meant to be a hobby, I think I should have taken up fishing instead

Your continued interest is appreciated

Regards

Stewart