1841 / 1851 / 1861 ~ GLOUCESTER ~ look up please

[CornBunting]

Hello GuyH.  Re: Albert and family emigrating.......Constance looks like a good bet as to why the family went to the USA.
1911 census:   Long St.          Wotton Under Edge (WUE)
Albert Richings head mar: 56 1855 butcher    Gloucs.
Blanche Maud   wife.         41 1870
Mary Vivian        d.           21 1890         all born. WUE
Constance Kathleen d.      19 1892           
Maurice Elton     s.           17 1894
Nigel Francis      s.             6 1904  (Dec.Q)
Audrey Blanche  d.            1  1909

Constance went to  New York, aged 19 in 1911......Work?

Albert, Blanche and Audrey left for New York from southampton 16.July.1921...Aquitania He was 66yrs 5 mths.

Mary Richings. book keeper left Southampton for New York 23.April.1921. Aquitania.

Nigel Francis Richings  16y 3m. travelled with Mary Vivian.

Mary Vivian Hersam or Richings or Richins. (New England Naturalization Petitions/M1299. Sep.18.1930. 37 Hoyt St, New Canaan, Connecticut.
                                                                              Mary d. 24.Oct.1959.
Marriage: Ref: Gloucestershire Citizen.  3.Jan.1889
Richings--Tilley.  At St. Mary's Church, Wotton Under Edge, Albert, youngest surviving son of John Richings, (b.c.1814) to Blanche Maud, youngest daughter of Llewellin Tilley. Both of WUE.

Could Scott be related to John Richings b.1839? Ask him for any info on James. Where born?

Did you know Blanch had a nephew (Arthur Tilley) who died in WW1? He was a sniper and had a German mother. Elton was killed by a sniper.
CornBunting

[GuyHenry]

This is excellent information. 

It is my understanding that Blanche's sister Kate Tilley emigrated to the USA prior to anyone else in the family.  Kate married Thomas Harvey and had two daughters.  Kate lived to be almost 100 years old.

I assume that my grandmother, Constance, was able to stay with relatives once she arrived in the US.

By the time the rest of the family emigrated in the early 1920s, Constance was married and had three children.

Mary Vivian Richings married John E. Hersam, who was the publisher of The New Canaan Advertiser (which he founded in 1908 and is still run by the Hersam family today and has expanded to include 19 weekly publications in three counties in Connecticut).  It was John's second marriage. and he had children by his first marriage.  John died in 1949.  My mother (who is 92) recalls attending the funeral.  He apparently was an important  and respected community leader.

As you state, Mary Vivian died in 1959.  I recall having dinner with both her and my great aunt Audrey in downtown Los Angeles sometime in 1958.  Both Vivian and Audrey died of cancer.

Regarding Blanche's nephew, Arthur Tilley, my genealogy simply states that he "died without issue" - and doesn't mention WWI specifically.  His father was Blanche's brother, Llewellyn Frank Lewis Tilley (1863-1919) who apparently was married two times (Florence Alice Duckering 1876-1901 and Lillian Agnes Harriet Browne 1874-1967 m. 1902), had 6 children and emigrated and died in India.  Our handwritten family genealogy does not mention either of his two English wives, or the German woman who gave birth to Arthur (do you have her name??).


I'll ask Scott Richings if he has any information regarding James Richings' birthplace.  Scott tried tracing James Richings to John Richings, but couldn't make the connection. 

Thank you !!

[CornBunting]

Hello Guy,

That makes sense....Constance staying with rellies.... Why did Kate go to USA? Always keep asking.

Re: Tilley.... 1881 census: Market St. WUE.
Llewellyn Tilley.   h. m. 57  b.1824  Kingswood (2 both in Gloucs)  Confectioner
Elizabeth             w.     42     1829  Abergavenny.....Monmouth (now in Wales)
CHARLES H          s.     15     1856  St. Nicholas (parish) Bristol
John                    s.      9      1862  London, Middlesex
Lewis                   s.      7      1864  Islington, London
KATE                   d.      3      1868  WUE. Gloucs.
Blanche M            d.      1       1870 WUE. Gloucs.
~~~~~~~~----
ARTHUR LLEWELLYN TILLEY  b. 1892.   WUE. Gloucs.   son of: Charles Henry & Veronica Tilley.
                                          Private 2719, 5th Battalion/Gloucestershire Regiment. Killed in action...France. 21.July.1916. Commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial, France. Enlisted at start of WW1. During training became one of best shots so selected as a sniper. Probably killed 21.July.(Battle of The Somme).  (Note to self....Where is Paul ..see below ...on this tree.?) .....Arthur
attended Colston School, Bristol. (prob. single sex) between 1904-1909. Apprenticed to Mawdsley's Engineering works, Dursley. (This is different from your info re: Arthur....Keep both accounts. Somehow, they will both be useful.)I am not sure about access after Rootsweb joins the Mothership....perhaps subscription to the whole site is necessary... I no longer subscribe to the Mothership. Arthur had a brother Paul served as a gunner in the Royal Garrison Artillery. He survived the War.  I will check Arthur's line.
I will check Veronica/Germany.   How magical to have the memory of 'dinner with the two elderly ladies'....THAT is Family Treeing......not collecting hundreds of names with or without dates.

Can you ask Scott to let me have his 'English' links..... I am intrigued with his link to you. There were other Richings who left Gloucs. who may well share genes.
OOps..........run out of space....CornBunting

[GuyHenry]

Certainly enjoying this !!

My genealogy shows Charles Henry and Veronica Tilley (maiden name - Faller) having three sons - Harry, Paul and Brymnor who was "killed in action."   I assume Brymnor is "Arthur."

At the time we had dinner in 1958, the two elderly ladies were 69 and 48 respectively.  They didn't pay much attention to me as they were of the "children should be seen but not heard" mentality.  HOWEVER,  I did get to know Great Aunt Audrey much better as a young adult, and she bequeathed me two of her Royal Doulton figurines.. 

I'll see how much information Scott has regarding his English links.  I'm afraid it is scarce.

[NZRichings]

This is excellent information. 

It is my understanding that Blanche's sister Kate Tilley emigrated to the USA prior to anyone else in the family.  Kate married Thomas Harvey and had two daughters.  Kate lived to be almost 100 years old.

I assume that my grandmother, Constance, was able to stay with relatives once she arrived in the US.

By the time the rest of the family emigrated in the early 1920s, Constance was married and had three children.

Mary Vivian Richings married John E. Hersam, who was the publisher of The New Canaan Advertiser (which he founded in 1908 and is still run by the Hersam family today and has expanded to include 19 weekly publications in three counties in Connecticut).  It was John's second marriage. and he had children by his first marriage.  John died in 1949.  My mother (who is 92) recalls attending the funeral.  He apparently was an important  and respected community leader.

As you state, Mary Vivian died in 1959.  I recall having dinner with both her and my great aunt Audrey in downtown Los Angeles sometime in 1958.  Both Vivian and Audrey died of cancer.

Regarding Blanche's nephew, Arthur Tilley, my genealogy simply states that he "died without issue" - and doesn't mention WWI specifically.  His father was Blanche's brother, Llewellyn Frank Lewis Tilley (1863-1919) who apparently was married two times (Florence Alice Duckering 1876-1901 and Lillian Agnes Harriet Browne 1874-1967 m. 1902), had 6 children and emigrated and died in India.  Our handwritten family genealogy does not mention either of his two English wives, or the German woman who gave birth to Arthur (do you have her name??).


I'll ask Scott Richings if he has any information regarding James Richings' birthplace.  Scott tried tracing James Richings to John Richings, but couldn't make the connection. 

Thank you !!

Hi all ive just joined....I'm this Scott Richings mentioned above.
My great grandfather was James Richings 1892-1975 my great grandmother was Sarah Richings nee Thompson 1892-1975
I'm still trying to connect my Richings to all these Richings as I'm on ancestry DNA and I'm getting matches into realitives connected to them.
Is anyone else on here on ancestry DNA? Or interested in doing DNA test on there to connect in ☺

[CornBunting]

Hello GuyHenry............This is indeed a mystery.........

Re: Arthur Tilley, b.1892...........He died without issue and was killed in WW1. My info is taken from: My War (WW1) book which says that Arthur LLewllyn Tilley was the son of Charles H. (b.c.1856).  Charles is on the 1871 and the 1881 census as ...son of LLewellyn Tilley, b.c.1826 Gloucestershire and Elizabeth his wife, b. 1829, Abergavenny. They were confectioners living in Orchard St., which is a small street running a right angles to Long St.

There are 2 other sons mentioned.... John, b.c.1862 and Lewis, b.c.1864 and then Kate, b.c.1868.
Blanche M is mentioned next, b.c.1870. On the 1881 cens.....There is a cousin Glen Tilley, b.c.1862. Bath, Somerset. I hope to sort my printer tomorrow, then I can check.

I wonder if Lewis might be a candidate? ......The book has opted for the wrong son?.....We are very close. Hopefully tomorrow I can check.

CornBunting..... 

nb: If there were 2 Arthurs.....living in close proximity..... might one be called Brymnor?

see: Thursday 22 Feb. post. I did all this then checked the old messages...Doh! wrong way round!