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Re: 1841 / 1851 / 1861 ~ GLOUCESTER ~ look up please
« Reply #54 on: Tuesday 03 March 09 20:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi ishtat

Just having a little giggle about "the coffee shop adulterer".   :D      Well, I wonder what became of this Isabella ... perhaps we can find her too ?   (Mmmm ... now I'm getting ahead of myself).

It sounds like you have some wonderful information - and thanks, would dearly love to have details of anything you care to share.    :)     

I have John's New Zealand Death Cert., a copy of his 1881 bankruptcy file;  the Letters of Administration record (he died intestate and seemingly penniless).   (Nothing exciting, but "records" nevertheless).    There is also a Coroner's report (1898) - fairly well covered in a newspaper article (I think there is probably a reference to it on the AUS thread)?     Archives New Zealand have this report on film, but because it was written up on blue-coloured paper, it has not photographed well and is virtually impossible to read.   (I can/must, send a request to the Chief Archivist, to ascertain whether I can view the original - though it possibly carries no more detail than the newspaper article).

And, Aunt Nora's diary ... what a delight to have a treasure such as that.     Oh yes, absolutely, it's contents should not be divulged.

So ...  looking forward to this new information  ... and who knows, by marrying some of this up with what we already have, there may even arise, some new developments ?
(Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic ?)  :D


Ah, RICHINGS  ... what a family !

Lu




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« Reply #55 on: Tuesday 03 March 09 21:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi cello 

Welcome back.   :)   

(Sorry, I edited my last posting to you, as in retrospect, I thought you were only seeking to find out what had become of John RICHINGS - and that lengthy saga is all documented over on the AUS thread).   :)

Yes, isn't this all very interesting  ... exciting, more like !

WOW !    How great that you too have further info for our family.

Have to admit that I'm guilty of not having (yet) followed through to finding more on John (senior) and Mary.    I promise you though ... it is sitting in my "to do" file !    ;)

AND  ... John and Hannah  ... and Eliza ?     Brilliant !
(How intriguing   ... ANOTHER scandal ? !   Hey, we shouldn't really be surprised, should we ? )    Looking forward to hearing more.

Don't fret about not finding RootsChat earlier  ... the important thing, is that we have you aboard  ... now !

So, yes please  ... anything you care to contribute, is most welcome.    Thanks.

Lu



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Re: 1841 / 1851 / 1861 ~ GLOUCESTER ~ look up please
« Reply #56 on: Tuesday 03 March 09 21:47 GMT (UK) »
Refer posting today at 15:07

1841 Census: Long St, Wotton-Under-Edge, GLS
RICHINGS John, Male, 50, born Gloucestershire
RICHINGS Hannah, Female, 53, born Gloucestershire
RICHINGS Jacob, Male, 17, born Gloucestershire
COOK Eliza, Female, 24
COOK Edward, Male, 12
COOK George, Male, 10

1851 Census: Haw ST., 95
RICHINGS Jacob, Head, Unmarried, 26, Baker (Master), W-U-E
RICHINGS Hannah, Mother, Married, 63, W-U-E
GAYARD Elizabeth, Niece, 11, Scholar, W-U-E

1851 CENSUS: Long St., 57
RICHINGS John, Head, Married, 62, Baker, W-U-E
RICHINGS Eliza, Wife, Married, 34, Trowbridge, Wilts
BARTLETT Christina, Serv., Unmarried, 19, Servant, W-U-E

Burial at St. Mary's W-U-E in 1894 of Eliza RICHINGS (otherwise Cook) (aged 76).

It appears that in 1841 John and his wife Hannah were living together and also living with them was 24 year old Eliza Cook (and two other children with surname COOK).

By 1851 Hannah was living with her son Jacob (note she still gives her marital status as married), but John appears to be living with Eliza Cook and she is shown as Eliza Richings and as his wife.  On her burial details her name is shown as (otherwise COOK) so maybe they never officially married.

The next question is whether Eliza Cook is related to Mary COOK, the wife of John and Hannah's son John.  John and Mary are the parents of John (Thomas) Richings.

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White - South Marston (WILTS), Woolstone (BERKS)
Hathrill - Fernham (BERKS)
Wentworth - Little Bedwyn (WILTS), Uffington (BERKS)
Richings - Wotton-Under-Edge (GLOC)
de Jager - Groningen
de Jonge - Groningen
Smid - Groningen, Eindhoven
Werkhoven - Eindhoven

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Re: 1841 / 1851 / 1861 ~ GLOUCESTER ~ look up please
« Reply #57 on: Tuesday 03 March 09 22:01 GMT (UK) »
EXCELLENT   cello  !          Many thanks.    :)

(Will cast my eye over this in more detail).    Fascinating !   ::)

Ah  ... butchers  ... bakers  ... but not as yet, any candlestick makers ?   (Perhaps we'll find some of those in the COOK line)?

Yes, this COOK connection seems intriguing.

Thanks again.

Lu

Edit:   Giggle  ... John / Hannah / Eliza ... yes it looks like a classic case, of "trading up, to a newer-model" ?     ::)
 




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Re: 1841 / 1851 / 1861 ~ GLOUCESTER ~ look up please
« Reply #58 on: Wednesday 04 March 09 05:37 GMT (UK) »

I found my copy of the divorce papers for John Richings/Sarah Ann Armitage formerly Richings nee Blizard this afternoon and realised I had made a mistake in calling the coffee shop adulterer Amelia Underhill . Her name was in fact Isabella.


Hmmm ....    Isabella UNDERHILL   :D

I wonder if this is her  ??

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BIRTHS  -  MAR   1841

UNDERHILL -  Isabella   -  Reg'd at Thornbury



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« Reply #59 on: Wednesday 04 March 09 05:52 GMT (UK) »

By 1851 Hannah was living with her son Jacob (note she still gives her marital status as married), but John appears to be living with Eliza Cook and she is shown as Eliza Richings and as his wife.  On her burial details her name is shown as (otherwise COOK) so maybe they never officially married.


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Marriages - December - 1851

RICHINGS - John
... and on same page      Eliza COOK !    Reg'd at Bristol.

(Oooh  ... this John, did the right thing )    ;)


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« Reply #60 on: Wednesday 04 March 09 10:33 GMT (UK) »
errr.. possibly only the right thing if Hannah died between the 1851 census (31/3) and the second marriage. Before the reform of 1857, divorce was only by act of parliament and very expensive.

possible death reg?
Ann Richings sept qtr 1851 Cirencester vol 11 pg 185

this one could be the reg - correct district for W-U-E?
Anna Maria Richings march qtr 1854 Dursley vol 6a pg 130

there's a submitted marriage on the IGI for John Richings 9/6/1813 to Hannah Mariah Cook at St John the Baptist, Bristol which, if correct, could explain the presence of the Cooks in the 1841 census.

But no baptism for a Hannah Cook in the IGI batch C049411 for WUE which does have the baptism for John Richings 25/12/1790 son of John & Sarah.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
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Re: 1841 / 1851 / 1861 ~ GLOUCESTER ~ look up please
« Reply #61 on: Thursday 05 March 09 05:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi Osprey    :)

Many thanks for the clarification re: divorces ... and for the "other" possibilities.

Hmmm ... some more digging and head-scratching, to be done.

Cheers
Lu


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Re: 1841 / 1851 / 1861 ~ GLOUCESTER ~ look up please
« Reply #62 on: Friday 13 March 09 10:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi ishtat

Just having a little giggle about "the coffee shop adulterer".   :D      Well, I wonder what became of this Isabella ... perhaps we can find her too ?   (Mmmm ... now I'm getting ahead of myself).

It sounds like you have some wonderful information - and thanks, would dearly love to have details of anything you care to share.    :)     

I have John's New Zealand Death Cert., a copy of his 1881 bankruptcy file;  the Letters of Administration record (he died intestate and seemingly penniless).   (Nothing exciting, but "records" nevertheless).    There is also a Coroner's report (1898) - fairly well covered in a newspaper article (I think there is probably a reference to it on the AUS thread)?     Archives New Zealand have this report on film, but because it was written up on blue-coloured paper, it has not photographed well and is virtually impossible to read.   (I can/must, send a request to the Chief Archivist, to ascertain whether I can view the original - though it possibly carries no more detail than the newspaper article).

And, Aunt Nora's diary ... what a delight to have a treasure such as that.     Oh yes, absolutely, it's contents should not be divulged.

So ...  looking forward to this new information  ... and who knows, by marrying some of this up with what we already have, there may even arise, some new developments ?
(Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic ?)  :D


Ah, RICHINGS  ... what a family !

Lu

I guess this is really aimed at Lucy 2 and I am doing it on the Board because I haven't figured out the personal messaging system here yet.
 I have and am quite happy to send copies of :-

1 John Richings birth cert 1839.
2.John Richings and Sarah Ann's wedding Cert 1860(she was 16 or 17)
3 Sarah Ann Blizzard's birth cert 1843.
4 John Blizzard Richings birth cert 1863.
5 Elizabeth Mary Perret's birth cert 1864.
6 Elizabeth Jane Richings marriage cert 1864(wife of 4 above)
7 Various Coroners(perfectly clear) and NZ and UK newspapers reports for the death of 1 above in 1898.
8 Copy of the Divorce proceedings/ Petition of 1 and 3 above 1873.
9 Various Richings family photographs including the wedding of Mabel Richings to Fred Grimes which includes the only known picture extant of Sarah Ann Armitage formerly Richings nee Blizzard.

I have a stack of other stuff given to me by relatives but I haven't sorted it out yet.

As we are both in Australia I would be happy to  send you copies of any of this together with all the other information I have though much of it may be outside your scope of interest . ie late 19th early 20th century after your ancestors were born.

I will however need some means of getting it to you so could you please send me a pm or email contact (if the board rules allow the latter)