WDYTYA series 4 # 7 Matthew Pinsent

[ludovica]

I was very lucky to find a gateway ancestor after getting in touch with a distant cousin via the internet who helped me get back to the late 1600s and a 10 x G Grandfather who was rector in Calstock in Cornwall and a Chaplain in Ordinary to Charles II .

Between us we've done a great deal of further research that led us back to his roots in Jersey and the family of his wife Elizabeth le Hardy. Her grandmother was Elizabeth de Carteret and she's our gateway. From her we've also been able to find an well documented ancestry back to Edward I, via two of his children, Thomas of Brotherton (was he the same one as Matthew Pinset found?) and Joan of Acre. It was amazing to find such famous historical families such as the Pembrokeshire Marshalls, the de Clares and the de Braose in my own direct ancestry.

However, the most exciting thing of all was to see my heroine of 25 years Eleanor of Aquataine is a direct ancestor all be it about 33 generations back!!  All my life I'd read everything I could about her so finding that, I was rather taken aback   

I am also descended from Eleanor of Aquitaine..
I give up on the number of greats because so many intertwining lines short circuit the system so while my shortest route to Eleanor is 24 x great Grandmother, her daughter Eleanor is my 25th great grandmother by another route and although King John is my 23x great grandfather, Henry III his son, by the shortest route is 24th again.. sounds crazy I know, but multiple descents get rather intergenerationally tangled

[Windsor87]

I was very lucky to find a gateway ancestor after getting in touch with a distant cousin via the internet who helped me get back to the late 1600s and a 10 x G Grandfather who was rector in Calstock in Cornwall and a Chaplain in Ordinary to Charles II .

Between us we've done a great deal of further research that led us back to his roots in Jersey and the family of his wife Elizabeth le Hardy. Her grandmother was Elizabeth de Carteret and she's our gateway. From her we've also been able to find an well documented ancestry back to Edward I, via two of his children, Thomas of Brotherton (was he the same one as Matthew Pinset found?) and Joan of Acre. It was amazing to find such famous historical families such as the Pembrokeshire Marshalls, the de Clares and the de Braose in my own direct ancestry.

However, the most exciting thing of all was to see my heroine of 25 years Eleanor of Aquataine is a direct ancestor all be it about 33 generations back!!  All my life I'd read everything I could about her so finding that, I was rather taken aback   

I am also descended from Eleanor of Aquitaine..
I give up on the number of greats because so many intertwining lines short circuit the system so while my shortest route to Eleanor is 24 x great Grandmother, her daughter Eleanor is my 25th great grandmother by another route and although King John is my 23x great grandfather, Henry III his son, by the shortest route is 24th again.. sounds crazy I know, but multiple descents get rather intergenerationally tangled

It is pretty bad on my tree as well.
My great great grandparents, who were first cousins, both share the gateway ancestor. If we go just a bit further back, you find that their grandmother married a man who has a separate claim through my gateway ancestors uncle. It seems the Gordon boys liked the Broadsea locals. Then ofcourse you finally get to the Frasers of Philorth who were sometime breeding partners with the aforementioned Gordons of Kinnellar. If we go a bit further back, I descend from Joan Beaufort through both her first marriage to James I of Scotland, and her second marriage to James Stewart, Lord of Lorn.

The end result is that Edward I appears on my tree a good number of times. I have links to (from memory) three of his sons - John of Gaunt, Edward II, and the Earls of Kent (I think the Earls of Kent are his children or grandchildren, unless I'm thinking of Somerset which also appears in my tree).

Edit: not John of Gaunt - he was Edward III's son.

[Subaru]

Good grief I feel like a pauper on this thread

[Siamese Girl]

Good grief I feel like a pauper on this thread

I guess a lot of us ARE descended from royalty (legit or otherwise) but we just haven't found that link yet.

And if I'm not ..... all those jokes about ag labs being interbred because they never moved very far - well that's nothing to the very small gene pool of the royals/aristocracy 

Carole

[ludovica]

I was very lucky to find a gateway ancestor after getting in touch with a distant cousin via the internet who helped me get back to the late 1600s and a 10 x G Grandfather who was rector in Calstock in Cornwall and a Chaplain in Ordinary to Charles II .

Between us we've done a great deal of further research that led us back to his roots in Jersey and the family of his wife Elizabeth le Hardy. Her grandmother was Elizabeth de Carteret and she's our gateway. From her we've also been able to find an well documented ancestry back to Edward I, via two of his children, Thomas of Brotherton (was he the same one as Matthew Pinset found?) and Joan of Acre. It was amazing to find such famous historical families such as the Pembrokeshire Marshalls, the de Clares and the de Braose in my own direct ancestry.

However, the most exciting thing of all was to see my heroine of 25 years Eleanor of Aquataine is a direct ancestor all be it about 33 generations back!!  All my life I'd read everything I could about her so finding that, I was rather taken aback   

I am also descended from Eleanor of Aquitaine..
I give up on the number of greats because so many intertwining lines short circuit the system so while my shortest route to Eleanor is 24 x great Grandmother, her daughter Eleanor is my 25th great grandmother by another route and although King John is my 23x great grandfather, Henry III his son, by the shortest route is 24th again.. sounds crazy I know, but multiple descents get rather intergenerationally tangled

It is pretty bad on my tree as well.
My great great grandparents, who were first cousins, both share the gateway ancestor. If we go just a bit further back, you find that their grandmother married a man who has a separate claim through my gateway ancestors uncle. It seems the Gordon boys liked the Broadsea locals. Then ofcourse you finally get to the Frasers of Philorth who were sometime breeding partners with the aforementioned Gordons of Kinnellar. If we go a bit further back, I descend from Joan Beaufort through both her first marriage to James I of Scotland, and her second marriage to James Stewart, Lord of Lorn.

The end result is that Edward I appears on my tree a good number of times. I have links to (from memory) three of his sons - John of Gaunt, Edward II, and the Earls of Kent (I think the Earls of Kent are his children or grandchildren, unless I'm thinking of Somerset which also appears in my tree).

Edit: not John of Gaunt - he was Edward III's son.

Edward I only makes it on mine as 23x gt granduncle as I am descended from Edmund Crouchback

[ludovica]

Good grief I feel like a pauper on this thread

I guess a lot of us ARE descended from royalty (legit or otherwise) but we just haven't found that link yet.

And if I'm not ..... all those jokes about ag labs being interbred because they never moved very far - well that's nothing to the very small gene pool of the royals/aristocracy 

Carole

This is right. Many family historians concentrate on their Paternal family because of the name presumably, but I have to say, having got as far as I could with that, (woodcutters and ag labs in the last quarter of the 15th C) there was so MUCH else left to do (and still is)
My Gateway Ancestor was my mother's, mother's, mother's, father's, father's, father's mother.. and her husband's mother is also a Gateway Ancestor. The direct descendents of this couple, by primogeniture are still living in the same house that our ancestors lived in in the 17th century and my Mum and I have been invited to tea there next month to view the house and the family portraits etc.. which I am immensely excited about

So I say to everyone, dont give up on "Marye, hys wyffe"... she could be that "missing link" to a whole new adventure in genealogy

[Siamese Girl]

Do you think ignoring the female side is a male thing? A lot of the most interesting things I've found have come through the female side, girls inherit property too .....

Carole

[ludovica]

Do you think ignoring the female side is a male thing? A lot of the most interesting things I've found have come through the female side, girls inherit property too .....

Carole

Strange isnt it?
I supplied a male relative with a gedcom of his direct ancestors, and when I looked at his webpage he had erased all thos ancestors associated with maternal lines! D'oh!

[PaulaToo]

Oooooh yes! Those girls had more power than they credit them with in the old days...
In the late 1500s one of my lot left lock stock and barrel to his wife...when she died, she left everything to the second son. For some reason first son didn't even get a wooden spoon let alone a mucke carte, wheled or otherwise.
I wonder what he did to upset his mum....apart from marrying a Tattum, that is....