GEORGE ASTBURY of TARVIN

[JDGen]

Hi esterby,

I've been tracking this family back.  1861 (RG9 2628/93 Page 29, 11 Tarvin Common):

William ASTBURY, Head, Mar, 50?, Ag Lab born Cheshire Tarvin
Jane ASTBURY, Wife, Mar, 50, born Cheshire Newchurch
George ASTBURY, Son, Unm, 27, Ag Lab born Cheshire Tarvin
William ASTBURY, Son, Mar, 18, Ag Lab born Cheshire Tarvin
Job ASTBURY, Son, 12, Scholar born Cheshire Tarvin
Joseph ASTBURY, Son, 8, Scholar born Cheshire Tarvin
George ASTBURY, gr son, 4, Scholar born Cheshire Tarvin

I don't see that any of the other children at home are likely candidates for parent(s) of George. (4)  William is only 18, and although married, would only have been 14 when George was born.  And George (27) isn't married so George (4) wouldn't have his surname.

Isn't it more likely that George put William (grandfather) down as father on his marriage certificate because he may have been illegitimate and had been brought up by his grandparents?

Jean

[JDGen]

1851, HO107 2171/377 Page 36, Tarvin:

William ASTBURY, Head, Mar, 40, Labourer born Cheshire Tarvin
Jane ASTBURY, Wife, Mar, 40 born Cheshire New Church
Mary ASTBURY, Dau, 11 born Tarvin
William ASTBURY, Son, 8, Scholar born Tarvin
Eliza ASTBURY, Dau, 6, Scholar born Tarvin
Emma ASTBURY, Dau, 6, Scholar born Tarvin
Job ASTBURY, Son, 1 born Tarvin
John ASTBURY, Son, 1 month born Tarvin

Jean

[JDGen]

1841, HO107 98/10/23 Page 41, Tarvin Common:

William ASTBURY, 30, Ag Lab, Y
Jane ASTBURY, 25, Y
Thomas ASTBURY, 8, Y
Hannah ASTBURY, 6, Y
George ASTBURY, 4, Y
John ASTBURY, 3, Y
Mary ASTBURY, 1, Y

So between the 1841 and 1851 census's there are a few possibles for mother of George - Hannah, Mary or even Eliza & Emma at a push.  I think that the William on the marriage certificate of George and Harriett is not his father and it is likely that one of the certificates you have already looked at is the right one.

Jean

[SandraC]

Hi Esterby

Jean has a very good point here - I have a couple of these grandfather in lieu names on marriage certificates.

It might be difficult to prove unless you can go through the Tarvin baptisms for the missing period & see if there are any George's born to unmarried Miss Astbury.

Regards
SandraC

[esterby]

Hi Jean, SandraC and others,
It is a minefield!!  Perhaps I should have obtained the other birth certificates if only to be able to discard them from my searches.  Like you I had looked at ages and thought well it could be possible!
Watch this space and I will let you know if the Tattenhall/Gt Boughton for 1851 give the correct information.
Happy Christmas everyone.
Esterby

[esterby]

Hi all searchers and helpers,
Cheshire County Registrars have given a speedy responce despite the festive season.  The birth certificate for the latest George Astbury referred to as born 1851 has arrived and with it more problems.
This George was born 22 December 1850 at Hargreave.  His father was William Astbury and mother Mary Astbury nee Dutton.  Fathers occupation is given as labourer.  The registration district is Great Boughton and sub district Tattenhall.
Whilst Hargr(e)ave is not far from Tarvin the age is doubtful if married 24 December 1877 when aged 22.  This should mean a birth year of 1855.  This George is aged 27 years (and 2 days!!).  The marriage certificate is a photocopy and 1877 is very clear in 2 places.
It would seem that more guessing from the census with interpretation of father/grandfather/known as names plus unknown father/mother is required.
Esterby

[esterby]

Hallo all readers,
The saga continues. I now have another birth certificate.
The most likely George Astbury born around 1855 was born 2 November 1885 in Kelsall. His father is listed as Joseph Astbury a journeyman sawyer and his mother as Ann Astbury formerly Lloyd and living at Kelsall when George was born.
The marriage certificate says his father was William.
If anyone has knowledge of alternative first names or possible errors in dates I would like to know.
Esterby