Are You Sitting Comfortably Part 2

[Reiver]

Where is this wrong?

 " Euclid Hope BUTTERWORTH emigrated to the US in 1910 with his wife Mary Elizabeth BUTTERWORTH.  It would appear however that they were not married and in fact she was Mary Elizabeth ABBEY.

Mary Elizabeth moves on to Australia sometime later, leaving Euclid.

Mary Elizabeth THORNTON dies in Melbourne aged 93 yrs in 1966.  Her death certificate - details from an informant and not from her  - say she married Hugh THORNTON in England when she was 27 and that she had been in Australia for 15 years (since 1951) when she would have been 78 yrs.  They -Hugh THORNTON and Mary Elizabeth - had a son who they called Hugh Spencer THORNTON who was aged 55 yrs in 1966.

The son- Hugh Spencer (Abbey?) - died in Melbourne 1983 aged 72.  It was claimed his father was Euclid Hope Butterworth and that his mother wa Mary Elizabeth.  ""

Somebody is telling porkies (pork pies - lies)     But who?

How did Mary Elizabeth get back from the US to England - if indeed she did?
Under what name?  What happened to Euclid?  Did she leave him in the US?
Could she have left the US for Australia?  Are there any other passenger lists that could be looked at?   Did they both / singly come back to England?

As Shaun said Mary Elizabeth Abbey was single in 1901, aged 27  and with her parents.  Her son Hugh Spencer was born in 1910 /1911 to Euclid BUTTERWORTH and Mary Elizabeth according to 'the informant'.  The informant knew therefore that the surname THORNTON was false. But in 1910 they went to the US?  Did they come back on the next boat so that he could be born in England?   As Mr and Mrs THORNTON 

Just lots of questions 

Regards
Reiver

[ShaunJ]

Reiver,

There is no reason to think that Euclid and Mary "emigrated" to the US. All we know is that they travelled there in 1910 on the Cymric, entering at Boston en route to New York.

I've now found the next page of the US immigration manifest which shows that Euclid had $300 with him and their destination was the Hotel Criterion on 41st Street, New York City. It looks like they were on vacation.

There are descriptions: Euclid was 5' 11'' , fair complexion, brown hair, blue eyes; Mary was 5'4'', dark complexion, brown hair, hazel eyes.

Euclid answered "no" to the question about whether he was a polygamist.

[Reiver]

Thanks Shaun
I never considered the holiday possibility.  I'm relievrd

[ShaunJ]

The Hotel Criterion was at 41st and Broadway -  a block away from Times Square.

[liverpool annie]

Son Hugh died in 1983 - in Australia 31 years -  married Bristol Eng at 28 years. 

father Euclid Hope Butterworth THORNTON 
mother Mary Elizabeth SPENCE

Annie

[liverpool annie]

A friend checked the cemetery !

Have done a check of the cemetery where Hugh Spence Abbey is buried - his wife Bessie is not buried there - she could still be alive.  Hugh was born around 1910 1911 and she is probably a number of years younger

[liverpool annie]

Q1 1911

ABBEY Hugh S B       Bristol   6a   114     

Perhaps it is Hugh Spence Butterworth Abbey 

and Spence was Mary's mother's maiden name !

This is Hugh's birth as on his death cert it is stated born in Bristol and it would be around 1911.

[liverpool annie]

Here's his Death  -

1980's
Port Melbourne
163 Bridge Street Port Melbourne
Hugh Spence Abbey THORNTON
Patternmaker
Male 72 years.

Hypertensive cardiovascular disease.
Coronary sclerosis, Myocardial fibrosis.

The Coroner of Melbourne Mr H F Adams ordered burial of the body without inquest following a post-mortem examination held under section 6A of the Croner Act 1958 by Dr Hicks

1980's Memorial Park Cemetery North Altona.
Born Bristol England
In Australia    31 years
Married   Bristol England
At 28 years

Conjugal state at Death    MARRIED

wife may still be alive

I've taken out the informant and 2 children !!

Annie 

[liverpool annie]

Poor Michel is REALLY bewildered now !!

It's taken a few days to get over the last family we found ...... I really don't know how to explain this to him ....... !!

If anybody has any ideas ......  because to be honest - I don't know myself right now  I'm just going with the flow !!

And where's Ambly doing her cheer - leader bit ??