Thomas Butler

[judi2632]

I Think St Johns is correct  ,  St Barnabas not built until 1844

Judi

[larkspur]

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=716586.new#new

[judi2632]

Hi Larkspur

Many thanks for linking the 2 queries. Much appreciated.

This one really has me stumped, I thought we might be on to something with the birth of Thomas Butler on  29 Aug 1833 to Thomas Butler and Sarah Carr but without the marriage and Census its hard to prove.

I wonder if perhaps there are any death records for either of the parents at St Johns Roman Catholic church which may indicate a remarriage or that Thomas Junior was in the workhouse?

I will continue the search

Judi

[larkspur]

Just in case you don't have this
Baptism Widmerpool
 15-7-1839 Fanny dau of Isaac and Hannah Wagstaff abode Loughborough.
1841 census
HO107/863/26/14 p22
1851 census/
HO107/2131/16 p 25

St Johns RC does not have any burial records on the Notts cd

[judi2632]

Thanks Larkspur

I did have the above information regarding to Fanny Wagstaff,but thank you for posting it,However  I did't know that St Johns Burial's were not covered on the Nottinghamshire cd.

I will contact the records office to try to establish if there are any records available there.your help as always very much appreciated .

Kind Regards Judi

[larkspur]

Maybe the Church did not have a burial ground?? I can find very little about it online.

[Rosinish]

Thomas Butler and Fanny Wagstaff (both of 'Full age') - no help there!!!

he was FWK of Gedling Street - father Thomas Butler FWK (as above!!)

she was at Red Lion Square - father Isaac Wagstaff Gardener

Thomas signed / Fanny (her mark)

witnesses: ??Oscar Grieves and Mary Ann Batter??
                                                 John Dobson (Curate)

I have a feeling this may actually be an error & maybe should possibly have read Mary Ann Butler 

Annie

ADDED (Possibly misheard at the time)

[judi2632]

Hi All

I have returned to this search after many years and have just come across another record related to this Thomas Butler. ( may help someone else as well)

UK, Prison Commission Records, 1770-1951 for Thomas Butler
Thomas Butler aged 18 ( Born 1835)  was convicted of "Theft from the person" in Nottingham in 1853 and sentenced to 7 years.

It also states he had 4 previous times he was convicted under "The Vagrant act".

His father was listed as also Thomas Butler "Frame work Knitter " and his address  as
4 Pleasant Row, Gedling Street Nottingham.

His sentence was served at Wakefield prison and then moved to Portland Prison in 1854 .

Hi sentence completed 2nd March 1860.

Naughty boy


I do also please have a request please can anyone find the address given ( 4 Pleasant Row, Gedling Street Nottingham. ) on the 1841 & 1851 census please or know which parish this was in.
I have searched and searched and really struggling to locate.

Also I assume he was up before the magistrates in Nottingham for the 4 prior offences is there any reports in the newspapers that may help further with the search ?

Thanks in advance Judi

[Dundee]

In 1851 Pleasant Row is at Piece   2132; Folio 751; Page number 42, or search for John BROWN born 1817, Leicester, wife Ann.  Gedling Street is a few pages before this.

Debra