Shaw John Agnew and Caroline Anne Cregoe

[ONEILL]

I am new to this list and am working on a theory that John Agnew Shaw may be related to our family.
I am particularly interested in any children they had and I know they were in the Kaiapoi, NZ area as they were there  in the 1860's-1870's.
I am trying also to work out if a J.A Shaw accountant in Fremantle, Western Australia in the 1890's could be the above man or a son. John Agnew Shaw died in Kalgoorlie in 1913 and his wife Caroline Anne Cregoe who he married in 1863 in Cheltenham England died in 1935 in Victoria. It looks like she was abandoned but she was an independent woman of means and he was supposedly a gentleman. I am also wondering if there were any shipping records for them.
Cheers O'Neill

[Kea]

Hi O'Neill,

I was in at the Christchurch Library this evening and found 13 children for your John Agnew and Caroline SHAW - all born Kaiapoi

Here we go ...

1. Frank Crego  b. 16 April 1864, buried 11 May 1864
2. Mary Josephine  b. 30 Mat 1865
3. Edith Mabel b. 24 April 1867
4. Robert Gilkinson Cregoe b. 30 March 1869
5.James Agnew Eckersley Cregoe b. 29 June 1870
6. Henry Tranchell Cregoe b. 15 August 1871, buried 20 Jan 1872
7.Grace Rachel Marian b. 28 Aug 1872
8. Margaret Flora b. 19 )ct 1873
9. Herbert Edward b. 16 Feb 1876
10. George Hayes b. 28 May 1871
11. John Noel Septimus b. 13 Dec 1878
12. Arthur Skipworth Cregoe b. 2 Feb 1880
13. Garland b. 16 June 1886

Hope I didn't miss any!
These are from parish transcripts  from early Christchurch and surrounding areas.

Cheers,
Stephanie

[ONEILL]

Wow, thank you so much Stephanie. How quick was that and of all the days I pick to post my query you go to Christchurch library.
I am sooo grateful.
Warmest regards
O'Neill

[Kea]

Pleasure. I had an hour to kill in town so was glad to have a mission!

Oh - I also found a babtism for Geoffrey Byung (!) Warden SHAW, son of Arthur Skipworth Crego SHAW and Daisy Clara, resident Sydney, Commercial Traveller. Geoffrey was born 27 Nov 1914 and babtised in Kaiapoi 17 March 1915.

Stephanie

[ONEILL]

Again thank you Stephanie..now I just have to work out if this family is my family..
O'Neill

[ONEILL]

I am wondering if any lister has access to  the 1893  Electoral roll  ( first with women listed)
I am looking for the above couple in Kaiapoi.
I am trying to work out if this Shaw John A is the father of a child in Fremantle W.A or if I am totally off the beaten track. He does show up in 1903 in Kalgoorlie, WA living with his son Robert Gilkinson Cregoe Shaw. He never leaves Kalgoorlie after this and died there in 1913. His wife died in Victoria in 1935 but she may have been left behind in New Zealand for a few years before this
Is there any earlier electoral rolls that may have John A Shaw on it stating what his occupation was?
Thank you
Gay O'Neill in Western Australia.

[Kea]

Hi O'Neill,

On the cards for the children's babtisms, John's occupation was listed as a carter on some of them and a fellmonger on others.

I'm sure someone else can help you with the electoral rolls!

Kind regards,

Stephanie

[Thamesite2017]

Good to see the great response you have had.
names for Caoline are easy in 1893, just 2

Surname   SHAW
Given Name   Annie Caroline
Number   16162
Electorate   Dunedin
Voting Qualification   Residential
Residential Address   Leith St Dunedin
Occupation   Housewife
   
Surname   SHAW
Given Name   Caroline
Number   3409
Electorate   Kaiapoi
Voting Qualification   Residential
Residential Address   Rangiora
Occupation   Housewife

Strange there is no male for Kaiapoi or giving res address as Rangiora
Don't know ins and outs of these but is he listed as freehold land elsewhere??

He does show in the 1881 electoral roll there
Electorate   Kaiapoi
Number   835
Surname   SHAW
Given Names   John Agnew
Nature Of Qualification   Residential
Place Of Residence   Kaiapoi
Occupation   Carter
   
   
Maybe it is an omission?

   

[ONEILL]

Thanks to Kea and Althea. The reason I am looking for this man is to find out if he could be the John A Shaw accountant - commissioning agent that is in Fremantle Western Australia and is the father of Ruby Beatrice Shaw mother Blanche Osmond born 1893.
I am trying to work out if John Agnew Shaw born 1834 who has 13 children with Caroline Anne Cregoe a woman of means and now he is a man of means..gold digging money from Victoria prior to their marriage in 1863 in Cheltenham in England. They then have the children  in New Zealand but he turns up in Kalgoorlie living with his son the council treasurer (accountant)  for Kalgoorlie and he does not go home. He died in 1913 in Kalgoorlie and I have tracked him every year from 1903 to 1913. Another of the sons is known to be an accountant in Victoria.

There is a John A Shaw  - Shaw and Co J.A accountants who is in Fremantle, Western Australia in the electoral rolls of 1893..not 1892 or 1894 and he has a notation against his name in the rate books of 1893 - commissioning agent left the coloney.
Then comes the birth in 1893 of Ruby Beatrice Shaw whose mother goes to live in Kalgoorlie, WA and works as a housekeeper in the hotels of Kal. She left the child behind in Fremantle and then took her to live with her in Kalgoorlie in 1903..same time as John Agnew Shaw turns up.
So my conundrum is working out if he is the rascally devil who got a young girl 40 years his junior pregnant. Blanch Osmond never married..called herself a widow and raised her daughter changing the childs name to Maude Alice Osmond in Kalgoorlie. Maude Alice Osmond (now known to be Ruby Beatrice Shaw) married my husbands grandfather Michael O'Neill in 1911.
Thanks for all your help - what a lovely group.
O'Neill