thankyou all for your info and time...i have isaac and rebeccas grandson with me at present..he knows his uncles were john .george.arthur and dicky(richard)...his mother was also rebecca,born approxiamately 1920 and she married herbert ellis......were there any other children...rebecca leah(ellis) died when she was 29 in abt 1950..any info would be appreciated...my pcs gone down,so i am on works computer...regards...allan