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Re: Wallace of Ecclefechan
« Reply #36 on: Friday 09 December 16 04:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
The above tree line is my family and also the Tree line QueenofToast has supplied,I have Samuel as my Great great great  grandfather he was married to Anne Wiseheart, in QueenofToasts tree (my tree) there is a John, but I have no idea if it is the John you are seeking, However if you have the dates, the  www.ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk  is a fantastic place to get certificates from.
Please let me know how you get on.

Thanks, magsx1.

The 1851 Census Dumfriesshire, Hoddom, Ecclefechan.

Name   Other Name   Relationship   Condition   Age   Sex   Occupation   Birthplace       1841   1861   Spouse   Notes
John Wallace       Head   Married   25   M   Cotton Handloom Weaver   Dumfries, Annan                
Janet Wallace       Wife   Married   21   F       Dumfries, Hoddom                
Robert Wallace       Son       1 mo   M       Dumfries, Hoddom       Not Alive

The dates for John and Janet fit with the birthdates of the Carlisle John and Jane, circa 1827 and 1831, and with the Samuel b. circa 1857. The remaining children of John and Jane were born in Carlisle.

It is the Carlisle family that I am interested in as Mary Wallace married James Parker, my G. Grandfather. I have the m certificate of Mary and James, m 1884, but English m certs only give father's names. Mary's father is John Wallace, General Labourer (deceased).

If anyone has information on these Carlisle Wallaces, I'd be interested, particularly if their birthplace in Scotland can be confirmed. I'm quite familiar with Scotland's People, so I'll see if I can come at it from another angle.


Hi this might be a very dead thread, my granddad has been looking into this line as James Parker is his grandfather.

I was very stuck with the Mary Wallace side but hopefully after viewing this thread I might be able to find her a bit easier. (seemingly found one that died age 19...not sure how I ended up there)


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Re: Wallace of Ecclefechan
« Reply #37 on: Friday 10 August 18 20:10 BST (UK) »
Anyone still researching this Wallace thread? I think I have gone as far as I can with the Wallace family after their move to Carlisle.

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Re: Wallace of Ecclefechan
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 11 August 18 12:46 BST (UK) »
It won't let me Pm you back for some reason.

I'd love to know how far back on the Parker side you've gotten, my grandfather is getting on now (mid 80's) and he's really wanted to trace his family back. James Parker is my grandads, grandad.

I'm still no further on in the Wallace family search, stuck on Mary Wallace.

My grandad had said that a fire destroyed some records at the registry office many years ago but I'm not sure if that's true or rumour.

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Re: Wallace of Ecclefechan
« Reply #39 on: Saturday 11 August 18 15:38 BST (UK) »
Shetlandlover.

To make it easier to communicate, you can contact me by e-mail. My e-mail address is:

parkerjg at hotmail.co.uk

I won't post the @ as I don't like posting my full e-mail on sites like this.

Via e-mail, I will invite you as a "guest" to view my family tree on Ancestry.com. You can then register and see the ancestors and descendants of James Parker. James Parker's father was John Parker, of whom I have few details.

My own name is James Parker.

Regards,

Jim



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Re: Wallace of Ecclefechan
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 26 May 24 00:15 BST (UK) »
:) Hiya any news about the Wallace family from Ecclefecan ?
My Father was Francis Jardine wallace,his father was Nathaniel Wallace and his mother was Georgina Bell,
anything would help because i dont know where to start!
Thanks mags


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Hi Mags

My grandmother is Margaret Vogan, Daughter of Agnes Wallace, who is the daughter of Nathaniel Wallace & Georgina Bell.
My great grandmother Agnes (known to us as great Nanny Nancy) had sisters named Jeannie, Annie & Margaret & a brother named Frank which I am assuming is your father?

Georgina Bell passed away in April 1943 and is buried in the cemetery of a small church in Ecclesfechan. Nathaniel later moved to New Castle. My 2nd cousin was actually in Ecclesfechan yesterday and he went to their old house & he also put some flowers on Georgina’s grave. I’ve tried to attach the pictures but it keeps saying the file is too big.
It looks like you haven’t posted for a few years, so I really hope this information finds you 🙂

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Re: Wallace of Ecclefechan
« Reply #41 on: Sunday 26 May 24 01:19 BST (UK) »
:) Hiya any news about the Wallace family from Ecclefecan ?
My Father was Francis Jardine wallace,his father was Nathaniel Wallace and his mother was Georgina Bell,
anything would help because i dont know where to start!
Thanks mags

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Francis Jardine Wallace (10 May 1909 – 1994) was a Scottish professional footballer who made 43 appearances in the English Football League playing as an inside left for Darlington. He also played non-league football for clubs including Tunbridge Wells Rangers, Folkestone and Ramsgate.[a]
Francis Wallace
Personal information
Full name
Francis Jardine Wallace
Date of birth
10 May 1909
Place of birth
Dumfries, Scotland
Date of death
January 1994 (aged 84)
Place of death
Bromley, England
Height
5 ft 9 in (1.75 m)[1]
Position(s)
Inside left
Senior career*
Years
Team
Apps
(Gls)
1927–1931
Darlington
43
(7)
1931–1933
Tunbridge Wells Rangers
1933–1934
Folkestone
1934–193?
Ramsgate
*Club domestic league appearances and goals

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Re: Wallace of Ecclefechan
« Reply #42 on: Sunday 26 May 24 01:25 BST (UK) »
:) Hiya any news about the Wallace family from Ecclefecan ?
My Father was Francis Jardine wallace,his father was Nathaniel Wallace and his mother was Georgina Bell,
anything would help because i dont know where to start!
Thanks mags

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Francis Jardine Wallace was born on 10 May 1909 in Dumfries, Scotland.[5]
Wallace signed amateur forms with Football League Third Division North club Darlington in August 1927.[6] He initially played for Darlington's reserve team in the North-Eastern League, and was selected for the Durham County Football Association's Amateur XI to face their Northumberland counterparts in January 1928.[7] Wallace made his Football League debut on 16 April 1928, replacing Harry Lees at inside left for a 4–1 win at home to Nelson; he was reported to "[have given] a good display",[8] and kept his place for the next match, after which Lees returned to the side.[9]
He was caught up in the 1928 illegal payments crisis, in which several hundred players registered as amateurs to clubs under the auspices of the Durham Association, 24 of whom were on Darlington's books, were suspended and deemed professional for receiving "tea money" – payments, often very small, over and above reimbursement of the minimal legitimate expenses allowed.[10] He returned to the team in late December 1928, scored against South Shields, and finished the season with two goals from 11 matches.[11] The arrival of Fred Laycock meant Wallace played little the following season, but Laycock moved on, and Wallace began the 1930–31 campaign in the league team. After the team started badly – the Sunday Sun commented on how their third successive home defeat "once more served to demonstrate the unfortunate weakness of the home forward line, for on repeated occasions they blundered and spoiled glorious opportunities"[12] – he lost his place to Reg Siddle, but regained it in December and played out the rest of the season for 26 appearances and five goals.[13] He was reported to be of interest to First Division clubs at a fee of £2,000,[14][4] and took the eye of the Northern Daily Mail's reporter T.F., who described him as "a great provider. A tap here, a gentle push there, a wide sweeping cross-field pass making for rapid progress, and plenty of bustle to help him along."[15] Wallace was placed on Darlington's retained list, but he refused the terms offered for a further season,[16] and eventually the League agreed to his being made open to transfer.[17]
In July 1931, Wallace signed for Tunbridge Wells Rangers, newly admitted to the Southern League Eastern Division as Kent League champions, for a fee of £1,500.[4] He played regularly for the next two seasons – taking time out in May 1932 to marry Netta Alice Beale at St Barnabas Church, Tunbridge Wells[18] – but then became one of numerous players to leave the club because it could not afford to pay summer wages.[19][20][21] Rumours linked him with Wigan Athletic,[21] but instead he joined another Kent-based Southern League club, Folkestone.[20] At the end of the 1933–34 season, there was interest from Football League Second Division club Barnsley and, more locally, Gillingham of the Third Division South, in a player described in the Folkestone Herald as "undoubtedly one of the cleverest footballers Folkestone has ever had", but nothing came of it,[22] and he joined Ramsgate of the Kent League.[23] In his first season, he scored eight goals and was named as one of the two most consistent players in the team,[24] and he signed on for a second.[25]
Wallace died in January 1994 at the age of 84; his death was registered in the Bromley district.[5][26]

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Re: Wallace of Ecclefechan
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 04 September 24 18:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Lisa

I randomly looked at this site after nearly 20 years and saw you had posted on this thread just a month or two ago. I might have some info that can help you in your search - I think, anyway.

DW

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Re: Wallace of Ecclefechan
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 04 September 24 20:52 BST (UK) »
Goodness - this thread is still running after all these years. I'm so glad that so much more has been found since we started finding info 17 years ago.

Mags put up her original request  in October 2007.


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