Wallace of Ecclefechan

[farrochie]

Hello,
I'm just wondering if this thread is still active.
I am showing below the line that I am following. It is from the 1881 Census, Carlisle.
I find one Samuel, born 1856, in Hoddam, Dumfries, parents John Wallace and Janet Moffat(t). I wonder if I can link my John Wallace (b. ~1827- d. before 1884) to the John Wallace, son of Samuel Wallace and Ann Wiseheart? I would be interested in the marriage cert of John and Jane(t).
Regards,
farrochie


   Household    Gender    Age    Birthplace
head    John Wallace    M    54    Scotland
wife    Jane Wallace    F    50    Scotland
son    Samuel Wallace    M    24    Scotland
son    John Wallace    M    20    Dalston, Cumberland, England
daughter    Margaret Ann Wallace    F    16    Dalston, Cumberland, England
daughter    Mary Wallace    F    14    Carlisle, Cumberland, England
son    James Wallace    M    9    Carlisle, Cumberland, England
son    Nathan Wallace    M    6    Carlisle, Cumberland, England

[magsx1]

Hi,
The above tree line is my family and also the Tree line QueenofToast has supplied,I have Samuel as my Great great great  grandfather he was married to Anne Wiseheart, in QueenofToasts tree (my tree) there is a John, but I have no idea if it is the John you are seeking, However if you have the dates, the  www.ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk  is a fantastic place to get certificates from.
Please let me know how you get on.

[farrochie]

Hi,
The above tree line is my family and also the Tree line QueenofToast has supplied,I have Samuel as my Great great great  grandfather he was married to Anne Wiseheart, in QueenofToasts tree (my tree) there is a John, but I have no idea if it is the John you are seeking, However if you have the dates, the  www.ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk  is a fantastic place to get certificates from.
Please let me know how you get on.

Thanks, magsx1.

The 1851 Census Dumfriesshire, Hoddom, Ecclefechan.

Name   Other Name   Relationship   Condition   Age   Sex   Occupation   Birthplace       1841   1861   Spouse   Notes
John Wallace       Head   Married   25   M   Cotton Handloom Weaver   Dumfries, Annan                
Janet Wallace       Wife   Married   21   F       Dumfries, Hoddom                
Robert Wallace       Son       1 mo   M       Dumfries, Hoddom       Not Alive

The dates for John and Janet fit with the birthdates of the Carlisle John and Jane, circa 1827 and 1831, and with the Samuel b. circa 1857. The remaining children of John and Jane were born in Carlisle.

It is the Carlisle family that I am interested in as Mary Wallace married James Parker, my G. Grandfather. I have the m certificate of Mary and James, m 1884, but English m certs only give father's names. Mary's father is John Wallace, General Labourer (deceased).

If anyone has information on these Carlisle Wallaces, I'd be interested, particularly if their birthplace in Scotland can be confirmed. I'm quite familiar with Scotland's People, so I'll see if I can come at it from another angle.

[farrochie]

I have just confirmed via birth certificate of Nathanial Wallace, that Jane Wallace was formerly Jane (or Janet) Moffat.

I now have a high degree of certainty that John Wallace & Jane Moffat moved to Carlisle, where they are found in the 1881 census as follows:-

Household    Gender    Age    Birthplace
head    John Wallace    M    54    Scotland
wife    Jane Wallace    F    50    Scotland
son    Samuel Wallace    M    24    Scotland
son    John Wallace    M    20    Dalston, Cumberland, England
daughter    Margaret Ann Wallace    F    16    Dalston, Cumberland, England
daughter    Mary Wallace    F    14    Carlisle, Cumberland, England
son    James Wallace    M    9    Carlisle, Cumberland, England
son    Nathan Wallace    M    6    Carlisle, Cumberland, England

[magsx1]

Hi, I believe my Grandfather is the 6yr old Nathan ( Nathaniel) on your list,if it is, he married Georgina Bell, they had five children, my father was one of them.

[farrochie]

Here is the birth certificate of Nathaniel Wallace. Does this fit with your info?

I'd like to find marriage certificate of John Wallace m Jane (or Janet) Moffat.

Regards,
James Parker

[farrochie]

magsx1, This is what you posted before:-

Father-----Francis Jardine Wallace b 1909

Grandfather----- Nathaniel Wallace b 1875

Great Grandfather Robert Wallace b 1847

But I have Nathaniel Wallace b 1874 with father John Wallace, not Robert. So I wonder if these are different lines.

[magsx1]

magsx1, This is what you posted before:-

Father-----Francis Jardine Wallace b 1909

Grandfather----- Nathaniel Wallace b 1875

Great Grandfather Robert Wallace b 1847

But I have Nathaniel Wallace b 1874 with father John Wallace, not Robert. So I wonder if these are different lines.

I definitely have Robert Wallace b1848 and Jane Mclaren b1844 as Nathaniel s parents, I believe Nathaniel had an uncle named Nathaniel if this helps? B 1825- d1907 

[magsx1]

When I get time I sure I have my grandfathers birth certificate somewhere, I will post it for you.