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Gourlay
« on: Tuesday 09 October 07 19:49 BST (UK) »
Looking for any information on Gourlay's who moved from Fife to Brandon around 1890. I believe Alexander, James & Norman were born in Brandon and may have had other siblings

Can any one help
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John

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Re: Gourlay
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 10 October 07 13:51 BST (UK) »
Hi John

I am not sure whether you have this or not...

1901 Census

Stockton RG13/4629 Folio 75 Page 6

James Gourley (sic) Head M 34 Forester Woodland Scotland Fifeshire
Jane do Wife M 37 Scotland
Alexander do Son S 7 Durham City
James do Son S 6 Durham City
Norman do Son S 2 Durham City

Living in Grindon, Stockton on Tees, Durham

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Re: Gourlay
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 10 October 07 13:53 BST (UK) »
John

The birth registrations seem to be on http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl giving the other names for each son.

There is a marriage in 1891 in St George District of Edinburgh City/Midlothian between a James Gourlay and a Jane Cormack.

Based upon Alexander’s second name, I wonder if this might be the correct marriage for the parents. Do you happen to know if it is ?

If so, Jane’s maiden name might be useful to identify any other children that may have been born afterwards.

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Re: Gourlay
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 11 October 07 19:22 BST (UK) »
Hi John

If Jane was previously called Cormack, then I believe that these two entries are probably yours......

Birth Registration

1902 Stockton JAS quarter 10a 72

Jane Annie Gourlay

Death Registration

1903 Stockton JAS quarter 10a 39

Jane Gourlay aged 35

Her age on the 1901 census is transcribed as 37 (and at first glance the second digit does look like 7) but with the knowledge of her age at death, the census entry, when looked at closely, probably does actually say 32. The 1891 marriage document for her and James would provide details about her age and her family etc.

There is a possibility that James remarried in 1905 (as per FreeBMD). If I am able to ascertain anything further I will let you know.

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Re: Gourlay
« Reply #4 on: Friday 12 October 07 18:06 BST (UK) »
Hello John

Thank you for your PM. It is usually better to respond on the public board (unless you have a good reason for not doing so) and then other people can see the information and get involved if they have something useful to add.

Jane's age of 23 on the 1891 Marriage document, which you have, fits exactly with the Death Registration in 1903 (aged 35).

One of the possible brides in 1905 was called Sarah Taylor. If the surname of Taylor is, as you suggest, already known to (or at the back of the minds of) older members of your family, this is probably her but it needs to be checked.

There is a possible birth for a David Gourlay in 1907 in Stockton.

I cannot, however, find a suitable Birth Registration anywhere in England or Wales for an Andrew Gourlay (up to 1920).

There is a James Andrew Gourlay registered in Helmsley in 1906 which is not too far away from Stockton but since they already have a son called James it seems unlikely that this one will be theirs as well. There is also another one actually called Andrew Gourlay registered in Newcastle in 1906 but he is a twin with a girl called Annie. Since you did not mention twins and since the first daughter was called Jane Annie I also ruled this one out.

Neither have I found another registration, in the same time period, for a female called (or whose name would familiarise to or sound like) “Ginny“. I wonder if "Ginny" might have been a family name for Jane Annie ?

If other members of your family are sure that there was an Andrew, maybe they went back to Scotland for his birth. Perhaps if you have a look in the Scottish records after 1907 (say) for such a birth with a mother possibly called Sarah Taylor something might turn up.

I could look after 1920 if you wish but it seems like a very long time after David’s birth, if he does turn out to be yours. It was the only David Gourlay registration that I could see anywhere in England or Wales between 1901 and 1920, so on the face of it, he looks like a good bet.

If I find out anything more I will let you know.

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Re: Gourlay
« Reply #5 on: Friday 19 October 07 15:57 BST (UK) »
 

 

Hi John

I am now almost certain that James Gourlay married Sarah Taylor in 1905 and that they are the parents of David Gourlay who was born in 1907.

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Re: Gourlay
« Reply #6 on: Monday 29 October 07 19:08 GMT (UK) »
DS

Thanks again

I'm going to order certificates for

Jane Annie's birth 1902
The marriage 1905
David's birth 1907

It may well be Jane Annie is Ginnie
There are believed to be children to Sarah's first marriage (and this may include Andrew)

I'll also look for any Marriage or Death for David

John


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Re: Gourlay
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 30 October 07 02:16 GMT (UK) »
Hello DS & John,

I always thought that I had a Great-Aunt Ginny.

It was only decades later when I started looking into family history that I realized it was actually Jeanie - which I heard as Ginny!

Girls named Jane are very commonly called Jean in Scottish records.  And are often referred to as Jeanie in the family.  My Great-Aunt (christened Jane Ann) came from a Scots background.  I suspect that my hearing it as Ginny was down to the accent - and that  everyone in the family pronounced Jeanie the way they'd heard their elders (especially her Scots Gma) say it.

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Re: Gourlay
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 04 November 07 07:09 GMT (UK) »
Hello again

I'm cross posting various threads as suggested by JAP in the hope someone out there may have something

Fife - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,264531.0.html
Glasgow - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,247007.0.html
London - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,262008.0.html