Robert Lawes

[Dannemois]

Pat & Ebba
Thank you so much for sharing the photo of George Elliot Laws which I really appreciate.  I’m afraid you have me at a disadvantage with regards to “juicy stories” so I’m all ears if you want to share.  I watched a very interesting programme on the television this week on the Welsh Settlers in Patagonia and how they have retained the old Welsh language.  Being born and spent his formatted years in Wales I wondered if George Elliot was Welsh speaking?

Although I’m not related, ever since I found Katherine residing at Gwaelod y Brithdir I have taken a keen interest in her and find her to be an interesting character.  Ebba in answer to your question, I would very much like to read about her second husband Valentine.

Please check your PM, for a surprise

Regards Roy

[symond]

hi i think this is an ancestor of mine, my grandad was george elliot lawes, i have just found this site, would be very interested to learn all about it, i havent worked out how to use this site yet, but george was a fireman during ww2 in london, but came from south wales, i think his dad was from durham, i have read a bit on here, and i think they are my ancestors, going back to sir george elliot

[symond]

Hi Roy
I'm afraid I was being a bit general - Alfred spent some 14 years in the army in India so I was assuming it was quite interesting! (Perhaps it was not, and he was bored stiff!).
As for other burials in Brithdir there may be more, but none that we know of for certain. Of Robert and Katherine's children:
1. Arthur and/or Thomas and/or George might be there, simply because I have no idea what happened to them after the 1881 census (can't find them in England or Wales)
2. Both Harry and Frederick married and moved to Cardiff, so are probably not there
Of Alfred and Julia's children:
1. Harold and/or Trevor may be there - don't know
2. Jessie who became Mrs Liversutch and Beryl who became Mrs Steadman might be there
3. Marjorie moved to Leicester
4. George moved to Bucks

If you ever get any clues about what happened to the missing children I'd love to hear about it. I wonder if they followed Katherine to Australia? It does seem strange for 3 to completely disappear. I can't find them in the 1891 or 1901 censuses so looks like I'd better have another go at the passenger lists.
All the best and Happy New Year!
Ebba

hi i am the grandson of george elliot lawes, he was a fireman in high wycombe, after the war, he served during the blitz in london, my dad was peter george elliot lawes, born in edmonton firestation north london in 1934, george died in around 1974 at amersham, his wife was phylis john , they both originated in south wales glamorgan. be really interested to see what you have discovered on the family, we have a fair amount of information, like ray liversuch was dug up in a bomber in holland in the late 70's, which my mum found in the daily mail at the time. look me up symond lawes

[Ebba]

Hi Symond
This is 'Ebba', I have heard of you via Samantha (your cousin not your sister) who has mentioned you and I think I've seen postings by you on her FB page. My husband Adrian is Samantha's cousin and the same generation as you, he is descended from George's (your grandfather) brother Victor. You are not actually descended from Sir George Elliot but from his brother Thomas. Thomas' daughter Katherine Elliot is the really interesting one, she was the one who put Elliot as a middle name for most of her sons to carry on the "proud tradition" (!) of being related to Sir George. Then in 1891, having separated from Robert, she took 2 daughters and a grandson to Australia where she married again, probably bigamously though there were no more children.
Robert also married again, probably bigamously, and had 4 more children in addition to the 8 he already had.
To go upwards in the family tree, your grandfather George was the son of Alfred Ernest Lawes (1863-1946), and Julia Wood. Alfred was the son of Robert Morrow Laws (no E in those days) (c 1840-1907) and that same Katherine Elliot. They did both come from the Durham area. Robert from Belmont, Pittington, and Katherine from Usworth near Gateshead.
Samantha can tell you who I am and probably give you my email address if you want. If she hasn't got it tell her to message me.
Cheers, Ebba

[Dannemois]

Hi Symond
Please to hear from you.  I would like to learn more about Ray Liversuch; do you have the newspaper snippet? if so I wonder appreciate a copy, if not then perhaps you can share details. 

Regards Roy

[symond]

Hi Symond
Please to hear from you.  I would like to learn more about Ray Liversuch; do you have the newspaper snippet? if so I wonder appreciate a copy, if not then perhaps you can share details. 

Regards Roy

hi roy, yes i do i think, i have a plastic bag full of old photos and clippings, mainly of my grandad george, but the newspaper cutting of ray liversuch is in there i believe,  as kids we had a painting on the wall of a ship done in oils. the name of the artist was liversuch, my dads cousin. one day my mum saw in the daily mail an appeal to family members of RAF heroes bodies found in a bog in a dutch field, an RAF bomber had been unearthed, one of the crew being sergeant ray liversuch, turned out is was my dads cousin, we found his brother still alive, and he came over from canada to attend the full military funeral for his brother and the crew. recently a friend of mine, who is a big ww2 enthusiast found out some information about the bombing raid they were on and info of the other crew members including a letter one of them had written. my email, look me up on fb if you like, i'm the only symond lawes in the world i believe

[symond]

Hi Symond
This is 'Ebba', I have heard of you via Samantha (your cousin not your sister) who has mentioned you and I think I've seen postings by you on her FB page. My husband Adrian is Samantha's cousin and the same generation as you, he is descended from George's (your grandfather) brother Victor. You are not actually descended from Sir George Elliot but from his brother Thomas. Thomas' daughter Katherine Elliot is the really interesting one, she was the one who put Elliot as a middle name for most of her sons to carry on the "proud tradition" (!) of being related to Sir George. Then in 1891, having separated from Robert, she took 2 daughters and a grandson to Australia where she married again, probably bigamously though there were no more children.
Robert also married again, probably bigamously, and had 4 more children in addition to the 8 he already had.
To go upwards in the family tree, your grandfather George was the son of Alfred Ernest Lawes (1863-1946), and Julia Wood. Alfred was the son of Robert Morrow Laws (no E in those days) (c 1840-1907) and that same Katherine Elliot. They did both come from the Durham area. Robert from Belmont, Pittington, and Katherine from Usworth near Gateshead.
Samantha can tell you who I am and probably give you my email address if you want. If she hasn't got it tell her to message me.
Cheers, Ebba

thats interesting ebba i was talking to my mum last night, she is well into the family history, and yes those names are all correct, i dont know much about my dads family, as we fell out many years ago, but i do have a whole load of photos dating back, one of the lawes was a prison governor of parkhurst, another was high level british fiji islands government under the empire, i have another picture of a fierce looking welsh pit boss

[Ebba]

Hello again
Yes I have heard about the prison governor but can't remember who he was.
The fierce pit boss could have been anybody, since the Elliots were all in the coal industry. Is there any indication of date?
I am astonished by the Fiji connection which I have never heard of, and believe me I've done enough research into the Lawes family over the years!
Is there any chance you are referring to Rev WG Lawes who was a missionary in Papua New Guinea in the 19th C but is in fact totally unconnected with us? It is the only vaguely 'South Seas' link I can think of. Do please let me know as we are mystified by this!
Cheers, Ebba

[symond]

Hello again
Yes I have heard about the prison governor but can't remember who he was.
The fierce pit boss could have been anybody, since the Elliots were all in the coal industry. Is there any indication of date?
I am astonished by the Fiji connection which I have never heard of, and believe me I've done enough research into the Lawes family over the years!
Is there any chance you are referring to Rev WG Lawes who was a missionary in Papua New Guinea in the 19th C but is in fact totally unconnected with us? It is the only vaguely 'South Seas' link I can think of. Do please let me know as we are mystified by this!
Cheers, Ebba

hi ebba according to a photo i have of him in prison uniform , its written trevor lawes governor of parkhurst prison 1946, which is a maximum security jail now, so i imagine then when they still had the death penalty, must have been a bit of a heavy duty job

the relation who was chief of police - trevor steadman (dads cousin) diplomtaic service, frogman, district commissioner East Africa, Chief of Police Fiji Islands — at Fiji Islands. i am not sure if he is lawes or my nans side, who were john