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Re: Robert Lawes
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 02 January 08 18:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi Roy
I'm afraid I was being a bit general - Alfred spent some 14 years in the army in India so I was assuming it was quite interesting! (Perhaps it was not, and he was bored stiff!).
As for other burials in Brithdir there may be more, but none that we know of for certain. Of Robert and Katherine's children:
1. Arthur and/or Thomas and/or George might be there, simply because I have no idea what happened to them after the 1881 census (can't find them in England or Wales)
2. Both Harry and Frederick married and moved to Cardiff, so are probably not there
Of Alfred and Julia's children:
1. Harold and/or Trevor may be there - don't know
2. Jessie who became Mrs Liversutch and Beryl who became Mrs Steadman might be there
3. Marjorie moved to Leicester
4. George moved to Bucks

If you ever get any clues about what happened to the missing children I'd love to hear about it. I wonder if they followed Katherine to Australia? It does seem strange for 3 to completely disappear. I can't find them in the 1891 or 1901 censuses so looks like I'd better have another go at the passenger lists.
All the best and Happy New Year!
Ebba
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Re: Robert Lawes
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 03 January 08 11:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ebba
I don't know if you are aware of this but the burial records for Gwaelod y Brithdir cemetery are at the Caerphilly County Borough Offices in Pontllanfraith, Blackwood and there are open for inspection.  I viewed them myself sometime back when researching  the date of the opening of the cemetery.   They do respond to a letter and they will look for a specific name, if it is difficult to make a visit. 

Thanks for the information; Writting an article on Gwaelod y Brithdir farm and Katherine Lawes's connection I wandered what became of the children she left behind. 

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Roy
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Re: Robert Lawes
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 03 January 08 18:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ray

That's interesting. Is it going to be published somewhere?

No I didn't know about the burial records but I'll bear it in mind for later. Right now I'm still trying to sort out Katherine herself plus get more information on her Australian exploits, especially the background of her second 'husband'! There are so many rumours about her and it's been impossible so far to discover what is true. There are supposed to be connections somewhere to South America, and I wonder if that's where the missing boys went. How to make any progress on this, I have no idea! One of the tamer rumours is that husband Robert ran off with the milkmaid, which could be true if she became second 'wife' Sarah Ann, whose birthplace is Mountain Ash.

I have been trying to follow the progress of Robert & Sarah's children and have probably found marriages for Ada and Robert Leonard. It's very surprising that in all the years we've been chasing Katherine & family we have never been contacted by anyone claiming to be descended from Robert's second family - and you'd think with 4+ children there would be some. Roll on the 1911 census!
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Re: Robert Lawes
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 03 January 08 19:30 GMT (UK) »
I have been researching the village of Brithdir for some time now with the aim of writing its history and of its people.  The hardest part for me is knowing when to stop researching and start writing.  The more I learn, the more I want to know.  To compensate,  I write up on the various topics when I think I have enough info to start putting pen to paper, but no matter how much info I seem to have, questions always crop up.  Eventually I'll be satisfied with what I've got and can then look to getting it published.  A big task but its a labour of love as I have great interest in the village.

Best of luck with your research

Roy
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Re: Robert Lawes
« Reply #22 on: Friday 04 January 08 13:51 GMT (UK) »
Hello again

Please refer to my posting dated 17 Nov 07 ref gravestone at Brithdir cememtery "Alfred Ernest Elliot & Julia Lawes"  correct me if I'm wrong but Alfred is the son of Robert Lawes?  I can understand adopting his mother's name of Elliot after his father ran off but what is confusing me is Julia is referred to as Lawes?  Do you know what her maiden name was?
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Re: Robert Lawes
« Reply #23 on: Friday 04 January 08 20:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi Roy
If that's what it says then it is indeed confusing, because in this case Elliot is being used as a Christian name. It should say 'Alfred Ernest Elliot Lawes and Julia Lawes'. I think it has just been badly phrased. Yes he is the son of Robert Law(e)s and Katherine - actually their first child.
Alfred's wife's maiden name was Wood. She was born on November 1st 1867 in East Stonehouse, Devon. Her family were timber merchants allegedly in the business of supplying timber for ship building. Given that Stonehouse on a modern map seems to be pretty in the middle of Devenport Docks it seems logical!
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« Reply #24 on: Saturday 05 January 08 12:44 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for you help on this topic, if I come up with anything new, I will send on.

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Roy
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Re: Robert Lawes
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 30 December 08 20:22 GMT (UK) »
Hello again Ebba

In our last communication you mentioned that there were several gravestones in Brithdir cemetery of the Lawes family.  I would appreciate it if you would let me have the names etc of those buried there.

Best wishes for the New Year

Roy

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« Reply #26 on: Monday 01 June 15 20:42 BST (UK) »
     Hello, everyone,
     I'm George Elliot Lawes' granddaughter from Argentina, and I'd like to give you a report of his activities in South America.
 
George Elliott Lawes (1869-1912)

GEORGE ELLIOT Lawes was born at Aberdare, South Wales, on 1st July 1869.

He received his early training as an engineer under Mr. E. M. Hann in the Powell Duffryn Works at Aberdare.

On the termination of his apprenticeship in 1889, he went to Buenos Aires and served for five years on the Port Works and with the Buenos Aires Great Southern Railway in the capacity of fitter, valve-setter, and later trial engine driver, taking up the position in 1894 of Acting Locomotive Superintendent of the Argentine North East Railway, where he introduced many labour-saving appliances.

In 1904 he became Locomotive and Stores Superintendent of the Paraguay Central Railway, in which country he was the only representative of the Institution, acting also as magistrate, doctor, and chief constable of the little township inhabited by the workmen and their families.
 
Three years later he transferred his services to the Peruvian Central Railway in the same capacity and, after a short holiday, was engaged in July 1911 as Stores and Locomotive Superintendent of the Brazil North Eastern Railways, a new company.

His intimate knowledge of the Spanish language and customs, combined with his experience in so many of the republics of Latin America, placed him amongst the highest authorities on the management of native labour on railways in those republic, One of his inventions was an oil-burner which dispensed with the necessity of introducing cold air into the furnace. It was fully experimented with and proved highly successful, effecting a saving of 30 per cent. in oil over other burners.

He died at Ceara, Brazil, after a short illness, on 14th February 1912, of yellow fever, at the age of forty-two.

He became a Member of this Institution in 1904; he was also a Member of the Royal Society of Arts.
 
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1.↑1912 Institution of Mechanical Engineers: Obituaries
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While in Buenos Aires he met and married my grandmother, Margaret Louise Anthony, and they had five children, the youngest being my father, Trevor Frank Lawes (1907-1970).

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Pat