Martha Later - I'm confused!

[Raylen]

Please help this poor confused soul.

I have Martha Later born abt 1803 in Bowden,Cheshire
married to Richard Jones  in 1822  Bowden,St Mary,Cheshire

Then I think she married John Stewart in 1859 Altrincham,Cheshire

I have her on 1881 census as Martha Later (widow) but I can't seem to
find her on earlier census lists. Her children are proving difficult to find as well.

Would it be usual for a widow to use her maiden name and change her childrens names too?

Can anyone help me find her on any other census please?

Any help would be great

Thanks
Raylen

[toni*]

hi do you have Richard Jones death?

let us know all the details as you have them and we can try to serach for her. i.e any parents names childrens names, addresses just anyhting you have basically

[suzard]

1861
Marchfield terr
Sale
Cheshire
Martha later head W 58 Proprietor of Houses Bowden Cheshire
Ellen Later daughter U  29 Sinderland Cheshire
Elizabeth later U 27 Sinderland Cheshire
martha stewart Visitor M 24 Sinderland Cheshire
Jessie Stewart granddaughter 5 mths Birkenhead Cheshire
jessie mason Visitor 6 Liverpool Lancs

RG9 2591 678 21

Is this the family?

I have her in other census if you require them

Maybe it was daughter martha who married Mr Stewart???

Suz

[mshrmh]

Hi Raylen -
Firstly the Later/Jones marriage - I've traced it on the IGI and it a "submitted" entry, not an "extracted" entry, so you may want to ask someone to do a look up in the parish records.
Second - the Later/Stewart marriage is on Cheshire BMD at St Martin's, Ashton on Mersey - I'm assuming this is the one you've got - AoM would be in Altrincham district then. However Cheshire BMD is pretty good at *ing names where there's an alternative as you'd expect if this was a widow remarrying and there's no * on this entry, so without seeing the register/certificate my gut feeling is that suzard has the answer - this is a daughter's marriage.

Again it's a gut feeling but I'd be looking for a marriage between Martha and a Mr Later. Have you found Martha (b 1803) on the 1841 or 1851 census? You could ask for a marriage lookup on this thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,136771.0.html

[suzard]

I have the martha later (same one as from 1861) on all census from 1841-1881- no husband present on any census - -she has 6 children

I have found 1851
Stockport
Cheshire
Richard Jones Head 45 Wales not known
Martha wife 46 Stockport
henry son 22 Factory hand
Richard son 17 Factory Hand
David son 14 Factory hand
HO107 2156 608 5

This was the only Richard Jones wife Martha I could find in Cheshire


What are the children's names you are looking for?

Suz

[CatOne]

Theres an interesting entry on familysearch IGI, stating that her daughter Martha was born in Dunham, Missisquoi, Quebec, parents Thomas and Martha Later, but chr. 24/03/1837 Bowden Cheshire!! 

(and for Ellen and Maria!)

[suzard]

1841
Dunham Massey
Bowden
Cheshire
Martha later 35 Farmer
William 12
Thomas 6
Maria 11
Ellen 9
Elizabeth 7
Martha 5
Richard Allman 20 ag lab
James Rawlinson 20 ag lab
James Holt 20 ag lab
William Owen 15 ag lab
Samuel Lucas 12 ag lab
Hannah Holt 60 ag lab
Margaret Shaw 17 ag lab
all stated as b in county (except margaret Shaw)
HO107 91 5 5

maybe this is the Martha m to Thomas Later on family search???

on no census does it state martha (jnr) b. Quebec though!

wonder if on family search Dunham Missisqui Quebec has been mistranscribed and should be Dunham massey Cheshire???
The writing is pretty difficult to read on 1841!!!

Suz

[CatOne]

Must be! Quite a mistrancription, only a few thousand miles out! 

[Reiver]

Hello Raylen

A couple of additional thoughts.
A few days ago SU posted on this Cheshire board a link to a new site providing Tithe Map details
. If you go to it and key in LATER you should be able to find details of their farm in Dunham Messey (Sinderland is part of it.      Parish is Bowdon, Township is Dunham Massey, Hamlet is Sinderland.)

A will was probated in 1839 for Thomas Later (The Younger) of Sinderland.  Try this link
http://www.cheshire.gov.uk/Recordoffice/Wills/Search.htm   Bur was he your Martha's husband?   The occupier on the Tithe Apportionment (See above) was Thomas Later.

You are likely to find Baptism Marraige and Burial details at Bowdon Church.  That 1837 date for young Martha in 1837 in Dunham Massey-sippi  .matches Martha's age based on Census returns.  Unfortunately it is 6 months before civil registration 

I hope this adds something and that I havn't repeated what others have said too much.
How much do you know of the area?

Regards
Reiver