Hi! again, you're absolutely right, they are elusive, I've been trying to track them down for months, inspite of Langford in the 1861 census, I believe that Elizabeth hails from Wellington, SOM. These villages are all very close together and it's possible the enumerator just dittoed them all. How's the weather in France, I live near Zurich and it has been pouring this morning but alot better now. Thank you for all your effort, they've got to be somewhere cos I'm here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! j