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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #270 on: Sunday 11 November 07 01:26 GMT (UK) »
Dear Annie    :)

You're a CHAMPION !    More great finds  ... thanks so much.

Yes, I will download the marriage cert ... just bear with me whilst I work out "what to do" .

Bad maths  ... hey, nothing at all comes as a surprise with this lot !   [I thought it was bad enough Amelia (20) hooking up with a 38 year old with five kids ] !

Yep, it's got me beat how Jane presumably passed herself off as some ten years younger  .... can only guess that she was either a "ravishing beauty", or that poor Mr Peter, was
a blind man ?    Mother and daughter in "cahoots"   ... a real possibility!

re:  Mary Ann / Marion - passenger list - 1841 :   Thanks for re-checking   - "7 weeks" was very clearly written on the list that I looked at too.

Charles Leslie PARKIN  - Rachel's boy ....  gosh she had quite a brood  ... seems though to have been the "quiet"  one in the family...  (hope I haven't spoken too soon) ?

Thanks again Annie will now see if I can get this marriage cert.

Cheers
Lu        :)

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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #271 on: Sunday 11 November 07 01:41 GMT (UK) »

Please Aumarire  as JAP says "Don't keep us in suspense  "

I have been trying to find James Bradley's 1st family but I cannot find a wife dying in 1865 as cert says.
I did find a death of a James Bradley in 1879 aged 50yrs born Lancashire -which I suppose is not far from Derbyshire.
I also have been trawling through all Peter Andersons dying -with my calculator trying to work out ages-several possibilities.
Really need to find someone with access to the street directories to follow them a little bit more.

But we have made it to 1871 which considering everything I think is a miracle!
Nothing like "The Brains Trust"working together.

 Attached is marriage of Rachel another case of bad maths

Annie



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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #272 on: Sunday 11 November 07 01:51 GMT (UK) »
Hello  JAP

Just a  observation  here
 Are you  be able  to  pop  your  summarries together ,  say  cut and  paste  each  one so  they  run  consectutively so  newbies  don't have  to  trawl  back  trying  to  make  sense  of  it all.  I  am  not  making  myself too  plain  here but I  hope you  will  understand what I  am trying  to say

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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #273 on: Sunday 11 November 07 01:54 GMT (UK) »
Jenn

What I did was copy and paste JAP's summaries into a email and sent to myself.
Works well

Annie


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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #274 on: Sunday 11 November 07 02:24 GMT (UK) »
OK Jenn.

I've just copied the two main summaries into Word documents.

In a minute, I'll post each again on this page so they are together (or closer together).

Then I'll go back and delete them on pages 7 and 10 leaving only a cross-reference.

Then I'll clean up any references in the re-posted summaries which no longer apply (e.g. if the page numbers have changed.

JAP
PS: I've divided the summaries into 3 (instead of the previous 2) parts.  This should give me an extra 5000 characters to play with as (if?) more information comes to hand.  And this post can always be used too if a Part 4 is needed (i.e. I could move part of Part 1 up into this post and then re-arrange the other 3 Parts accordingly ...

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« Reply #275 on: Sunday 11 November 07 02:25 GMT (UK) »
POTTED SUMMARY OF THE FAMILY OF

William HEASMAN (however spelled) & Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE

PART 1 (PARTS 2 & 3 follow)

Preamble
*William HAISMAN (sic) married Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE, 18 Jul 1836, St Dunstan, Stepney, London (IGI)
  Jane Elizth AYLMORE, parents Josiah and Ann, was bap 5 Aug 1818, Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire; her parents, Josiah AYLMORE & Ann REEVES (named on Jane's second marriage cert - see Post #297 on Page 20) were m 1816 St Mary's Portsea.  Jane had siblings Ann HELMORE or AYLMORE bap 1816 Holy Trinity Gosport Hampshire; Amelia AYLMORE bap 1821 St Mary's Portsea Hampshire; George Reeves AYLMORE bap 1823 St John's Portsea.  For more information about the AYLMORE family see Post #307 on Page 21.

They had in London:
*Jane Elizabeth HEASMAN, born September quarter 1838, Poplar, Volume 2, Page 286; bap 12 April 1840, St Dunstan Stepney as HEUSMAN
*Ann Amelia HEUSMAN also bap 12 April 1840, St Dunstan Stepney; her birth or death record has not been found on FreeBMD.   (It is assumed that Ann Amelia did not survive)

The family is in the 1841 census as follows:
St Anne, Limehouse, Middlesex
HEAMAN (sic)
*William (24) turner J., not born Middlesex
*Jane (22) not born Middlesex
*Jane (2) born Middlesex

The family migrated to Victoria, Australia (then part of the Colony of New South Wales) as Assisted British Immigrants on the ship ‘Alexander’ which left Plymouth 30 Aug 1841 and arrived Port Phillip 27 December 1841.
The passenger list records:
HAISMAN
*William (25), Carpenter
*Jane (22)
*Jane (3)
*Mary Ann (7 weeks)

Children of William HEASMAN & Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE
1. Jane Elizabeth birth Sep qtr 1838 Poplar, London England; bap 12 Apr 1840 St Dunstan Stepney, London England
     *Jane HEASMAN m Charles WILKINSON, 1856 NSW ref: 844/1856; this was Charles's third
         marriage.  It is thought that Charles might have been a convict (his second wife
         was convict Mary Ann MILTON, 1846 NSW, with whom he had two children in NSW,
         Charles Fletcher 1849 and William T H 1850)
Children of Jane & Charles:
  *Rachel b ca 1857 (perhaps Rachel WILKINSON b Vic 1858, mother Jane WILKINSON, no father mentioned)
  *Male b & d as infant 1858 Chippendale NSW
  *Female b & d as infant 1860 Chippendale NSW
  *Male born Chippendale 1861 #2934; d as Walter in Victoria, b Sydney, age 11 mths, 1862 #1089 (see Post 362 on Page 25 for cert); d 10 Feb 1862 at 9 Argyle St Fitzroy, informant Rachel HEASMAN of same address, 2 months in Vic, bur Melb Gen Cem
  *Child (no name or sex) born Redfern 1864 #3463 (thought to be Frances who was 4 when Charles d in 1868)
  *Laura b Emerald Hill Vic 1867 #8087 (thought to be Florence who was 1 when Charles d in 1868)
Note: a Charles WILKINSON, Clerk (Treasury) is listed in the Sands&McDougall directory in Redfern in 1861 and 1863.

     Charles WILKINSON (53), b Cheshire, 31 yrs in NSW, 3 in Vic, died St Kilda, Vic Dec 1868 #9891; bur St Kilda Cemetery (see post #177 for cert - lists issue of his marriage to Jane as Rachael 11, Walter dead, Frances 4, Florence 1)

     *Jane Elizabeth WILKINSON (b London) m William Thomas HARPER (b Birmingham) 1869 Vic #4673 (see Post #296 on Page 20 for certificate)

Note:  1870 Apr; Jane Elizabeth HARPER, wife of William Thomas HARPER Sydney, made application re estate of Charles WILKINSON (says he died leaving her with 5 children); William gave permission for his wife to make the application.
Note: a Frances 6 and a Florence WILKINSON, 3 were admitted to the Orphan School, NSW, Sept 1870 (father dead, mother unable to support).

       William Thomas HARPER (born Birm), age 25, d Victoria 1871 #9037

Note: Florence was released to her mother's care, Jan 1872
Florence, 5 1/2, was re-admitted Jan 1873 (mother has another child to support).
Florence was released to her mother's care, June 1874.
Frances was released to her mother's care, July 1874.
   
     *Jane E WILKINSON died Granville NSW 1919/22654 (Heasman listed in father column).  Her estate (a cottage in Rozelle, NSW) was bequeathed to grandson Cecil PAYNE, son of her daughter Florence.
Note: A separate summary re Jane Elizabeth is at Post #185, Page 13

2. Ann Amelia bap 12 April 1840 St Dunstan Stepney, London, England (presumably died before the 1841 census)

Continued in next post ...

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« Reply #276 on: Sunday 11 November 07 02:25 GMT (UK) »
POTTED SUMMARY (ctd) OF THE FAMILY OF

William HEASMAN (however spelled) & Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE

PART 2 (PART 3 follows)

Children of William HEASMAN & Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE (ctd)

3. Mary Ann born 1841 (age 7 weeks on passenger list); bap (as HESIMAN) with dob as 1 Dec 1841, in 1843 St James Melbourne Vic #13193
Note: See posts #211-212
     *Marion HEASMAN 21 (b Melb) m John BALLI 24 (b Switzerland) 1863 Daylesford #1380.
Children of Mary Ann/Marion & John:
  *James BALLI b 1864, Dayl, #1926 (mother's name Mary Ann ISSMAN)
  *George BALLI b Jul 1865, Daylesford, #14820 (mother's name Marion ESMOND - see post #244, page 17 for cert details) - it has been suggested that he might be the George HEASMAN who d 1870 age 4 (see Part 3 of the summary)

Note: Mary A HEASMAN, 26, single, went to Hokitika, NZ Oct 1866 on 'Taranaki'
  *William BALLI b May 1867, Kainere NZ (later took name CALDWELL - see post #212)

     John BALLE (sic) died 1867 Vic # 6304; bur Melb Cemetery (see post #226)

Note: A Mrs BALLI (23) went to NZ Jun 1868 on 'Auckland' - subsequently suggested that this is a transcription error; fiche show that it was a Mrs BALK from Scotland.
Note: Mary Ann/Marion married(?) William Richard CALDWELL ca 1868; they had 7 children - Joseph Henry, Marion ca 1870, Thomas ca 1872, Eliza ca 1874, John Edward ca 1876, Joseph Henry ca 1878, and also a William Henry (see post #224).
     *Marion CALDWELL (nee HEASMAN, mother's name ELMORE) d 1890 South Melb Vic aged 43; bur Melb Cemetery (William CALDWELL, 1928, 84 and Eliza CALDWELL, 1955, 81 in same grave - Post #247, Page 17).
 
4. William Richard, bap 16 Sept 1846 St James CE, Melbourne Vic #14885 (birth date not shown)
Note: William's age is 9 on petition for admission to Orphan School, NSW, Oct 1859.
     *William R HEASMAN m Harrul (i.e. Harriet) J NEWBY Wellington NSW 511/1878
     *William R HEASMAN d Wellington NSW  6810/1897 parents unknown.
Note: William (as HEASEMAN) & Harriet (as COURT - she remarried, d 1918) bur in Wellington General Cem NSW; impressive gravestone photo on Australian Cemeteries site - it has William's age as 56 (has William's death date as May 1896 - perhaps headstone erected after Harriet's death and this is an error?).
Note: Is this the son of William HEASMAN & Jane AYLMORE?

5. Ann Amelia, bap 16 Sep 1846 St James CE Melbourne, Vic #14886 (birth date not shown)
Note: Ann, '8', admitted to Orphan School, NSW, Oct 1856; released into the care of sister, Mrs WILKINSON, in 1859.
     *Annie HEASMAN m Alexander MORININI (b Switzerland) 1862, #4360, Castlemaine (both resident Hepburn) Vic (see Post #312 on Page 21 for cert - father listed as William HEASMAN dead, mother Jane HEASMAN now BRANSGROVE ms AILMORE)
Children of Annie & Alexander:
  *Amelia MORININI, b Sand, Vic 1864 #11429 (Annie's name as HAESMAN)

Note: Annie went to NZ (say 1865?).  Married(?) John/Thomas RICHINGS, a butcher. They had Thomas RICHINGS (ca 1872-1958) and Lily RICHINGS (ca 1874-1917); both said to be b Blenheim.

Note: Alexander MORININI ?and Amelia probably died in shipwreck of 'General Grant' (bound for London), 1866.

     *Annie MORININI, widow, b Melb Vic, 66 years in NZ, age 84, parents William & Jane Elizabeth HEASMAN, d 1931, Christchurch NZ
Note: James RICHINGS, b ca 1890, is a nephew of Thomas (perhaps James a pre-nuptial son of Lily's?).  Lily RICHINGS m Francis COATES; Lily 'OATES' is buried in same grave as Annie MORININI.
Note: Various NZ records (Blenheim, Dunedin, Christchurch) re John/Thomas RICHINGS (variously spelled) including bankruptcy; he d in accident, Christchurch 1898 leaving 'wife and grown up family of two' (see posts #43 & #46).

6. Rachel, bap St James CE, Melb Vic 1848 #15937
Note: Rachel, age '6', admitted to Orphan School, NSW 1856; released into care of sister, Mrs WILKINSON, 1859.
10 Feb 1862, informant of death of Walter WILKINSON, son of her sister Jane Elizabeth, at 9 Argyle St, Fitzroy, Vic
     *Rachel HEASMAN m Donald CAMERON (birthplaces not indexed) Creswick Vic (both resident in Daylesford) 1865 #2424 (for certificate see post #271 on this page)
Children of Rachel & Donald (all born Ballarat, Vic) were:
  *Catherine CAMERON 1866; Kate CAMERON (b Ballt) m Joseph DUFFIELD (b Eng) 1905; Kate & Joseph had Ida Kathleen DUFFIELD 1906 and Arthur Bruce DUFFIELD 1907, both b Hawthorn; DUFFIELD Cath, father Cameron Donald, mother Rachael PARKIN (sic), died age 72, at PRAHRAN, Vic, 1938, #8714
  *Eliza CAMERON 1868; HUME Eliza, father Cameron Donald, mother Rachel HEASMAN, died age 88 at COBU (probably Coburg) 1957 #249 - Eliza is buried at the Coburg Cemetery
  *Donald CAMERON 1870; he d 1897 Stawell Vic #7005
  *Mary Jane CAMERON 1872;  she is probably the following - ROY Jane Mary Camero, father Cameron unknown, mother Rachel unknown, died age 89 at REGE, 1962, #8227

Donald CAMERON snr died Vic, age 34, 1875 #477.

Continued in next post ...

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« Reply #277 on: Sunday 11 November 07 02:27 GMT (UK) »
POTTED SUMMARY (ctd) OF THE FAMILY OF

William HEASMAN (however spelled) & Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE

PART 3

(Rachel continued)

    *Rachel CAMERON (birthplace not listed) married William PARKIN (born Sunderland) 1876 #1532
Children of Rachel and William were:
  *Ann Amelia PARKIN b 'EHIL' 1879
     Ann Amelia PARKIN & Jno Wm Geo QUICK had Geo Alymore (sic) QUICK 1903, Melbourne South; Ada Mary QUICK 1913, Richmond; also (from deaths) John William QUICK d 1974 age 74, David Leslie QUICK d 1978 age 63
   -QUICK Ann Amelia, father Parkin William, mother Rachel HEASEMAN (sic), died age 77, at Melbourne, 1956, #11302
  *(twin) Edith PARKIN at 'EMERALD' 1881; she m Westgarth Charles Walker MUIR 1909; Westgarth d 1944 age 65 (he went to WW1).  Edith & Westgarth had Alan Cameron MUIR b 1913 S Melb, Archie Westgarth MUIR b 1914 S Melb
   -MUIR Edith, father Parkin William, mother Rachel HEIZMAN (sic), died age 73, at FITZ, 1956, #7892
  *(twin) William John PARKIN at 'EMERALD' 1881 (may have gone to Boer War?)
  *Charles Leslie PARKIN at Albert Park 1893 (note: long gap since previous children); he m Lillian CALDWELL 1920 Vic #14167
  - Charles Leslie PARKIN d 1973 Sydney (had wife Lillian, one son)

     *Rachel PARKIN, father Heasman Wm (that's how it appears in the index), mother Jane Eliz AYLMORE, died age 89, 1938, at Kew, Vic #7729
Note: See Post #14 on Page 1 for further information about Rachel's children and grandchildren.
 
7. Amelia, b 18 Mar, bap 6 Jun 1851, St Peters CE, Melbourne Vic #27008
     Amelia HEASMAN 17 (sic) ( b Melb) m James BRADLEY 38 (b Derbyshire, widower with 5 children) Fitzroy Vic, Sept 1871, #3546 (see post #236 for cert.).
Note: Amelia's marriage was with the written consent of her mother, her father being dead.  Witnesses Peder ANDERSON & J E ANDERSON (see note E below).

Notes:
A. More details than are in this summary are in the thread itself.

B. William HEASMAN of the Palmer St Hotel, Woolloomooloo, was declared bankrupt in 1855 in NSW; accused with two others (Ebenezer BRANSGROVE - see below - & Frederick Alfred POOLE) of fraudently removing, and hiding, possessions from the hotel before his insolvency was formalized.  The police were subsequently unable to locate William.  BRANSGROVE & POOLE were tried (Mrs J EASTMAN was a witness for the prisoners) and convicted in June 1855.  A month later the convictions were quashed.
Jane Elizabeth (AYLMORE) HEASMAN wrote a letter (undated) asking the creditors to return her children's clothes (see post #141, page 10).
Stated in the petition for admission of the HEASMAN children in Oct 1856, that William HEASMAN had died 16 months earlier.  At Amelia HEASMAN's marriage in 1871, it is stated that her father is dead.   

C.  Index to Orphan Schools.
www.records.nsw.gov.au (online indexes)
Date of Petition 18 Oct 1856
Requests admission into the Orphan School of:
William HEASMAN 9
Ann HEASMAN 8
Rachel HEASMAN 6
Amelia HEASMAN 5
Parents William (dead?) and Jane Heasman (who had been supporting them by her own efforts but no longer able to do so due to infirmity).
William and Amelia were rejected (Schools overcrowded) but Ann and Rachel were admitted.
They were released into the care of their sister, Mrs WILKINSON of Redfern, 19 April 1859.

D. The passenger list for the 'City of Sydney' (Melb to Syd) 1860 includes a W HEASMAN (see post #131, page 9)

E. (i)At the 1862 marriage of Annie (i.e. Ann Amelia) HEASMAN to MORININI (see Part 2), her father was listed as William HEASMAN dead, and mother as Jane HEASMAN now BRANSGROVE ms AILMORE)
Ebenezer BRANSGROVE is in an 1859 Melbourne directory at 100 Latrobe St E; and E BRANSGROVE appears in 1865 at Victoria Pde east, Collingwood.  Ebenezer BRANSGROVE, b London, clerk, arr free in Sydney 1855.  Admitted to gaol (see B above) 15 Mar 1855, discharged 21 Jul 1855.  Charged (as Benjamin) with theft, Sydney 1867, sentenced to 6 mths, admitted (as Ebenezer) 23 Apr 1867; transferred 9 May 1867 to Parramatta Asylum (criminal lunatic), died there 6 Nov 1868. Reg 1868/5912 (age given as ca 56).
(ii) 1869 #4625 Vic, Peter HENDERSON (sic) b Norway married Jane Elizabeth HEANNAN (sic) b London (for details of certificate see Post #297 on Page 20 - Jane Elizabeth ms AYLMORE says her first husband William died in 1867).
(iii) April 1870, a George HEASMAN d in Emerald Hill (i.e. South Melbourne) Vic, born Melbourne, parents William HEASMAN & Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE, 1870, age 4, #4125.  Informant is Peder ANDERSEN (for details of cert see post #181, p 13).
Perhaps George might really be George BALLI, son of John BALLI & Mary Ann HEASMAN, b July 1865 Daylesford Vic? 
(iv) March 1871, a child, Elizabeth Ann ANDERSON, born in Fitzroy Vic to a Peter ANDERSON, 33, a Carpenter b Norway, & a Jane Elizabeth ANDERSON formerly HEASMAN maiden name AYLMORE, 41, b London.
Jane would really have been ca 52 by 1871.
(v) Sept 1871, at the marriage (with written consent of her mother) of Amelia HEASMAN (post #236 , p16) witnesses were Peter & JE ANDERSON.

JAP

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« Reply #278 on: Sunday 11 November 07 04:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi folks,
Now, with regard Mary Ann/Marion, as per the summary above, Mary Ann born 1841, age 7 weeks on the passenger list) bapt as Hesiman with dob as 1 Dec 1841, baptised in 1843 at St James Melbourne.
Now, I do really think, after much working through with the dates that my Mary Ann/Marion has given at time of marriage, and children's births etc, that this is my Great  Great Grandmother ( I have previously thought there might be yet another, because of the Mary Ann and Marion scenario) however, my question is this -
If the passenger list states she was 7 weeks old, that is fine,, the ship left Plymouth 30 August 1841 and arrived Port Phillip 27 December 1841. Fine, this means that she was born on board the ship, if the date of birth on her baptism is correct, as it states, she was born on the 1 Dec 1841, but the ship did not arrive until 27th December.
So why would she be listed as a 7 week old. She would have been only 1 week old at the time of arrival.
Another thing,,, always,, and this is the only thing that has never changed, she has always recorded her place of birth as Melbourne. Now I do understand that if she was born just one week before arrival in Melbourne , that she naturally would classify herself ( well ,, I suppose her parents would have told her the story about her birth on the ship)  as being born in Melbourne. But if she is recorded as being 7 weeks of age on the passenger list, I would imagine ( and I would be pleased to be corrected if I am barking up the wrong tree) that the age would have been stated at the time of departure from England.
Now my next question is this, I have googled a search for any information regarding the ship Alexander, hoping to find the impossible,, perhaps someone has written a dairy on the trip ( yeah I know,, the wonderment of hope ha ha ) but has anyone actually sighted the original shipping list,, not the transcribed shipping list.

The reason I ask this is that, like with our Morinini,,, who in a number of books is transcribed as being Morrison, on board the General grant,,,, ( bad transcriptions) so I wondered if perhaps ( oh please, let it be ha ha!!) that she is actually listed as a 1 week old on arrival. Now then, this would all make sense to me,
Or have I missed something here.

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