VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please

[Lucy2]

Hi Annie and JAP     

.... now I 'ain't no handwriting expert, but ....
just looking at the signature and handwriting in Jane HEASMAN's letter to the creditors of Wm. Heasman,  [post # 141 - p. 10] and at the "J. E. Anderson / Andersen " on Amelia's marriage to Bradley,  ....  I get the feeling (from the signatures) that they are two different people 

[aumarire]

Hi,
I only ever had an index number and year of birth for George Balli, the person I feel strongly is the child that died under the name of Heasman, however, I figured I might as well get the certificate, and make sure that I was barking up the correct tree ha ha, and here is what it gives,
George, born 14 July 1865 at Brandy Hot, Daylesford, father John Balli, a miner age 26 born in Switzerland, mother Marion nee Esmond, age 23, born Melbourne, married 1863  in Daylesford, previous issue to the marriage, James age 20 months, birth registered by John Balli, father, Brandy Hot.
Now, if this George is the same George that died on the 9th April  1870, then the age is correct, as George would have only been 4 years of age when he died,, just shy of being 5 by three months.
When Mary Ann/Marion died in 1890, George is NOT listed as being alive, the only children listed, from her first marriage were James and William. Now I know that was years later, but it does add a little something to perhaps make me believe my original thoughts that when Mary Ann/Marion takes off to New Zealand, and meets up with husband number 2 ( well, we are still not sure he was a husband as yet, as no marriage cert has been found), that the two children that had already been born to her are left in Melbourne with her mother Jane Elizabeth Heasman and that George died while in her care, hence he was registered as being her child. Of course, with this family, anything is possible, but I do tend to err on those thoughts.  By all means, any thoughts to prove me wrong would be most welcomed. ha ha
Aumarire.

[aumarire]

Hi again,
Just thought I would let you all know that I have placed the certificates that I have on a web site that I use quite a lot. I have no affiliation to this site at all, but often tell people about it, as I think it so great. The site name is Australasia BDM exchange. The url is    http://www.ausbdm.org/  It obviously covers  both New Zealand and Australia. Now the idea is that if you have any spare certificates that perhaps you have purchased, and have not been of any use, that you place the info onto this site, and if anyone else would like a copy of the certificate, you DO NOT give them the cert., you just e-mail them the information that is contained on the cert.
I have placed all the certs that do not come into my research, but I also have added ALL the certificates that I have collected over the years, that DO connect into my family. I cannot tell you how many times people have made contact, inquiring about a particular certificate, only to find that they are the cousin or other member of the extended family  that I have been trying to track down for years.
I must have posted around 500 certificates by now, and while it was a big job placing all the info onto the site in the beginning, it sure has paid huge dividends for me. Of course, even if you make no connections, it is always nice to be able to help people out with their research, and sure as heck does save them money, if they are able to get the info from someone who already has purchased the certificate.
There is no cost at all for placing the certs on the site, and no cost for other people accessing the site, of course, as with all sites, you have to go through a process of registering,, but that is no hardship.
I also use the same system for the Scottish BDM exchange, and again there is no cost. i also use the English site, however, there is a cost of 5 pounds a year to join that one. On that note, if any of you would like me to do a look up on the English site, just ask, as I am a member, and have also added all my certificates on that site as well.
I will, in the next day or two, add the 5 birth registrations that are on the same page as my George Balli, and hope that it will help someone out with their research.
Just a thought,, in case you haven't heard of this site.
Aumarire

[JAP]

1. I wouldn't discount the two signatures (Jane Heasman on the sad letter, and J E Anderson on Amelia's 1871 marriage cert) being from the same person.  The writing has rather the same general slope.  Yes, in the sad letter, Jane's 'J' sweeps down - but perhaps she was inhibited in the marr cert by the dotted line and tried to stay above it    Indeed, the dotted line and the limited area may have been inhibiting in general - the sad letter is very flowing.  The 'E' is not unlike the 'E' in 'Enable' and the 'E' in 'Everybody' in the sad letter.  Admittedly the 'A' is nothing like the 'A' in 'A farthing' in the sad letter ...  But it's 15 years later.  And we do know that Jane Elizabeth (AYLMORE) HEASMAN must have been around at that time as she gave written consent to Amelia's marriage.

2. The hypothesis about George HEASMAN being George BALLI is very plausible.
BUT, even if that's correct, it still leaves the problem of who is Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE who, with Peter ANDERSON, had Elizabeth Ann ANDERSON b Coll Vic, 1871 #8221 

JAP
PS: Aumarire, I've put heaps of cert info on the Scottish BDM exchange - and always recommend it.  Also some on the Australian BDM exchange.

[tropicalj]

MARIAN CALDWELL, Presbyterian
              Compt O  Sec   Row   Grave 1608, Aged 43, Date of service 12/02/1890,
also in the grave  CALDWELL, WILLIAM Aged 84, Date of service  02/10/1928
                   CALDWELL, ELIZA  Aged 81, Date of service  22/03/1955


I  have been trying to  find where Jane E  Heasman  might be buried  she  is  not  with  this  daughter  in  the Melbourne Cemetery  as  you  can  see

kind  regards Jenn

[annecaroline]

Baptism- St James Church
Hesiman Mary Ann
Born 1 st Dec 1841
Bapt 27 March 1843
Father William Heisman occup Carpenter
Mother Jane
Abode Melbourne

Annie

[JAP]

OK, this family is tempting us all 

Birth, Elizabeth Jane ANDERSON, 1871 #8221

- 4th Mar 1871
- 182 Gore St (Town) Fitzroy (County of) Bourke
- Elizabeth Ann present
- Female
- (Father) Peter ANDERSON 33, Carpenter, (b) Norway
- (Married) 1869 Fitzroy Victoria (no previous issue listed)
- (Mother) Jane Elizabeth ANDERSON formerly HEASMAN maiden name AYLMORE; age 41 (sic), born London
- (Informant - signed) Jane E ANDERSON, Mother, 182 Gore St Fitzroy
- (Accoucheur) Dr Durant
- (Registered) 5th May 1871, Collingwood

JAP
PS: What's a little dissembling about age (not to mention marriage)!
I have in my records a GgAunt who was 9 on the 1841 passenger list, pretty much the right age at her first two marriages, but suddenly became a spinster age 29 at her third marriage (should have been twice a widow, had had at least 4 children by then, and was aged ca 37).
And a GAunt who was b 1878 but died in 1947 aged 58 (should have been 69).

[annecaroline]

Gosh JAP

I just don't know-there is no way to get round this age thing with Jane.Her eldest child Jane is 33yr by this time.No way is she 41yrs .
Is this another attempt to pass off a grandchild as their own-I wonder??
This is happening a few months before Amelia's marriage.
Wonder if this child is Amelia's baby.

Has anyone found what become of this baby??
Annie

[JAP]

Hi Annie,

Who knows!

Yes:
Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE (HEASMAN) was 22 when she came to Oz in 1841 so definitely ca 52 in 1871.
- George HEASMAN (purported parents William HEASMAN & Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE) dies April 1870 age 4, informant Peder ANDERSON; George possibly/probably George BALLI b Jul 1865, son of Mary Ann (HEASMAN) BALLI.
- Elizabeth Ann ANDERSON (purported parents Peter ANDERSON & Jane Elizabeth ANDERSON formerly HEASMAN nee AYLMORE) born March 1871
- Amelia HEASMAN (said to be 17 but really 20) marries Sept 1871; witnesses Peter & JE ANDERSON.

Will we ever know whether George HEASMAN is really a child of Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE or is really George BALLI?  Or whether Elizabeth Ann ANDERSON is really a child of Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE's?

No, we haven't found what happened to Elizabeth Ann ANDERSON.  Or to Peter ANDERSON.  Or to Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE/HEASMAN/ANDERSON.

And there's no sign I could find of a Peter ANDERSON/Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE/HEASMAN marriage (purported to be in Fitzroy in 1869).  See next post - marriage found by Raylen (post #252).
What a saga!

JAP
PS: For my own sake (I'd be lost otherwise) I'm still trying to keep my Page 7 and Page 10 summaries up-to-date but ...  Note: Summaries now moved to Posts 275-277 on Page 19.