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« Reply #207 on: Wednesday 07 November 07 03:40 GMT (UK) »
Yes indeed Lu,

Please put us out of our misery!

And it will be great to welcome the other HEASMAN researcher you mention.

What on earth will be the next twist or turn in this remarkable saga  ;D

JAP

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« Reply #208 on: Wednesday 07 November 07 06:04 GMT (UK) »
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« Reply #209 on: Wednesday 07 November 07 10:38 GMT (UK) »
 :)

Darn !    Nobody's called from Hollywood YET !

BUT hey ....  we 'aint finished this "thing"  !

Jenn ~ (giggle, giggle) , if that's what you want, then we'll get you a part .... but you are already a STAR .... in this online version !

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« Reply #210 on: Wednesday 07 November 07 11:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi All    :)

UPDATE :

Ann Amelia "Annie" MORININI (nee HEASMAN)
[Mother of Thomas (1872) and Lily (1874) RICHINGS]

Annie's death certificate (1931) shows she resided in New Zealand for 66 years (arriving 1865), but despite extensive searches, under a variety of names, she can't be found on a passenger list.

New info from various sources / publications, reveals the following:

*    Annie married (at age16), Alessandro (Alexander) MORININI, in December 1862, at Castlemaine.

*    Alexander, born c. 1840, (to Andrea Morinini and Domenica Fabretti), was a native of Gordola, a village in the
Italian-speaking canton of Ticino, Switzerland.   His arrival date in Victoria is unknown;  it is thought he worked as a dairyman / farmer.

*    Annie and Alexander's daughter, Amelia MORININI, was born at Sandhurst (Bendigo) in  early May of 1864.

*    "A. Morinini (aged 25)" (thought to be Alexander), and a child named "Emile (aged 1)" (likely the baby Amelia), were listed as passengers on board the ship "General Grant" which departed Melbourne 4 May 1866, bound for London.
Mrs. Morinini (Annie), was NOT on the passenger list.

*    A 1974 publication (relating the tale of the shipwrecked "General Grant"), states ...  "of the 15 souls in the aft cabin, there was a father travelling only with his baby son".   [Perhaps the authors' guesswork, Emile, a boys name ?    "Emile" though may have been the father's particular spelling of "Amelia" ?]       The passenger list given in this book shows the Morinini's as being "A. Morrison and Emile Morrison".     Other sources state the name correctly as Morinini.

*    Despite the earlier thinking that the "General Grant" may have had a scheduled stopover at a New Zealand port, that was not the case.    The vessel was in fact on a direct voyage to London, using what had become known as the "great circle route" - which swept south from Australia and passed between NZ and the Auckland Islands as it swung towards Cape Horn.
                                 _____________

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« Reply #211 on: Thursday 08 November 07 08:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,
I think I am the person that was referred to as the new researcher for the Heasman family. I do have some information, but not a great deal, as I have not done a HUGE amount of work on this family, because of all the problems ( as you are all aware of) of this wonderful family and the change of name at every turn they took. However, let me tell you what I do know.
I have already tried to post this reply, but have been told that it exceeds the limit of words, so I will cut it in half and post two replies if that is ok with everyone. Bear with me, this is a first time for me on this system.
Mary Ann/Marion Heasman was my great great Grandmother.
I have her birth as approx 1845. She married ( I have the cert).
Groom; John Balli, bachelor, born Locarno, Tacino, Switzerland, a miner, age 23, usual place of residence Brandy Hot Gully, Daylesford. Father Giscona Balli, a Publican, mother Marian/Maria  nee Frizzie.
Bride; Marion Heasman, spinster, born Melbourne, age 21 ( which equates to 1842 birth), usual place of residence Brandy Hot, father William Heasman a Wheelwright, mother Jane Heasman maiden surname Kailmore. The witness's to the marriage were an Angelo Chariolie ( the writing is poor, so may not be correct ) and Martin ? ( the writing is poor) The marriage took place 11th May 1863 in the Parsonage House, Daylesford.
Now, the above couple had three children, a James Balli born 7 December 1863 in Blanket Flatt, near Daylesford. Father is listed as John Balli, Miner age 24 born Switzerland and mother Mary Ann nee Iisman ( although again, the writing is poor). John Balli registered the birth, but the witness to the birth is recorded as Mrs Iisman. The parents marriage date is recorded correctly as 11th May 1863.
Now the next child born was George Balli, and this birth cert is ordered and I await this, but the birth was recorded in 1865. Now this is the George that has confused the issue with this family. I BELIEVE that this George Balli is one in the same George Heasman that died in 9 April 1870, and is recorded as a child of William and Jane Elizabeth.

To be continued on further posting.
Adcock - England, New Zealand
Balli -Switzerland, Australia
Caldwell - Australia, New Zealand
Dobbin - Australia, New Zealand
Iremonger -England, New Zealand
Rands - England, Australia, USA
Rendall - England
Whelan - Ireland, New Zealand
White - England, New Zealand
Williamson - Scotland, New Zealand

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« Reply #212 on: Thursday 08 November 07 08:44 GMT (UK) »
the continuation, page 2.

My thoughts are these, that at an earlier stage, around late 1866 or early 1867, Mary Ann/Marion leaves Melbourne. She leaves her two children, with her husband Frank Balli, (his correct name was Giovanni Balli) and takes off for New Zealand, ending up in Kumara/Hokitika. She would have been pregnant at the time of her departure.
Once in Hokitika, she gives birth to another son, this time named William, born 2 May 1867, in Kaniere  and his birth was registered in Hokitika, with the father as Frank Balli, an Inn Keeper, mother Mary Ann Balli nee Eastman. The informant for the birth was a John Grubb from Kaniere.
Meanwhile, back in Melbourne, our poor Giovanni/John and now Frank Balli is languishing in the Melbourne Hospital, and it was only a matter of 17 days later that he died. As previously mentioned, it was a Hall Porter who was the informant for his death.
Of course, there are the previously born children born to Giovanni and Mary Ann, I have always presumed, to be then taken to be cared for by Mary Ann's parents William and  Jane Elizabeth Heasman. Three years later, we find George died, but under the name of Heasman, and not Balli. Now of course this is only an assumption, but I do not think it likely ( although never impossible) for William and Jane Elizabeth to be having children at that age. I do not have the death dates for either William or Jane Elizabeth, but from the previous postings, I GATHER that William may well have already died by that stage himself, so it would have been Jane Elizabeth who would have cared for George and his brother James, her grandchildren. Now, as I have said, I have no proof of this,, it is supposition, but as we have the birth of George as 1865 and then the death of a 5 year old in 1870, it runs correct.
Now,, I have to say at this point that I have never located what happened to James, he may well have kept his name of Balli, may also have changed his name to Heasman, or could have changed it to Caldwell, in the same way as his younger brother did. An explanation of that to follow.
as I have said, Mary Ann/Marion  has given birth to William Balli in New Zealand. The next thing we find is Mary Ann/Marion is having more children.
She meets up with, and apparently marries in April 1868 in Hokitika ( although to date NO marriage record has ever been found) a man called William Richard Caldwell. William Richard Caldwell was born in Londonderry approx 1844. The two of them go ahead and have a further 7 children. I have a list of all 7, and seeing there is a repetition of names, I will not record them here for the moment, otherwise you could get confused ( I do when I am working on this line ha ha)   
On these children's birth registration, the marriage date of the parents was listed on SOME of them as  April 1868, there is never a DAY listed, just the month and the year), others have no date recorded, but no record has been found.
As for my William Balli, of course he is now being raised by his birth mother and step father, so while there were no formal adoptions, he obviously just assumes the surname of his step father and then becomes known as William Caldwell. To confuse matters even more, later on, in different certificates, he even uses his step fathers second Christian name as well, so sometimes is recorded as William Richard Caldwell jnr. ( urgh!!!!)
Now we do know that our William Balli, now known as William Caldwell, knew of his correct parentage, and the reason for this is that later on, the family moved back to Victoria and our William Balli now Caldwell becomes ''friendly'' with his future wife. William and his future wife Mary  Jane Elizabeth Dobbin have a child before their marriage. The child is registered at birth as William Henry John Dobbin, but he died 2 months later ( sadly, just the day before Christmas) and when his death is registered, the fathers name is listed as William Baylli. Two months after the death of this child, they married in Bendigo. 8 months later they gave birth to another child, and from this time on, William ALWAYS used the surname of Caldwell, and I have never seen any reference again to him using his original name. They went on to have a further 6 children, one of them being my grandmother.
As an aside, the family moved yet again, back to New Zealand, so this family were moving between the two countries often.
Now, I think I will leave it there for the moment and see what you think, I have some Baptism records, other birth records and deaths, but I will tell you about those later, although I gather you have a number of these records yourself.
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Aumarire in Auckland New Zealand
Adcock - England, New Zealand
Balli -Switzerland, Australia
Caldwell - Australia, New Zealand
Dobbin - Australia, New Zealand
Iremonger -England, New Zealand
Rands - England, Australia, USA
Rendall - England
Whelan - Ireland, New Zealand
White - England, New Zealand
Williamson - Scotland, New Zealand

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« Reply #213 on: Thursday 08 November 07 10:57 GMT (UK) »
Hi Aumarire    :)

Welcome to RootsChat ... and a special welcome to this thread.

A truly splendid effort in providing all that wonderful information.    Well done !

Many thanks

Lu       :)


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« Reply #214 on: Thursday 08 November 07 11:18 GMT (UK) »
Hello All,

Well what can I say! My jaw did drop when I read Aumarire's post -amazing piece of work by her.

So now we have two sisters Annie and Mary Ann who both married Swiss men and both left them and ended up in NZ at the same time.
With Mary Ann the common link between Australia and New Zealand is gold mining.
Her Swiss husband was a miner.The time she arrives on the West Coast is perfect for the discovery of Gold around this area.I do know that people rushed from Vic on ships going straight to Hokitika trying to beat everyone else.

To have been is such a remote place as Kaniere Mary Ann would of had to of been with a gold miner.Nothing there but mud and tents.

I wonder if Annie's husband had been a miner.
Has anyone checked miner's rights for Vic & NZ?Also is there any record of a baptism of the child in Hokitika??

Lucy
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« Reply #215 on: Thursday 08 November 07 11:29 GMT (UK) »
 Hi Aumarire   

Can I ask what Mr Balli died of and did the death certificate mention the length of his illness and were any family members mentioned?

Annie