VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please

[JAP]

Oh Cazay, How disappointing - at least in part!

Dublin - not Cheshire 

But who knows.  Perhaps Charles had fibbed a bit to Jane Elizabeth HEASMAN?  Or was born in Cheshire and then went to Dublin and became a bad boy!  Though perhaps he wasn't a convict at all ...

Let's hope others have more ideas ...

JAP

[Cazay]

JAP

You never know where the truth begins and ends 

Pity because as he stole a waistcoat, the clerk seemed liked a natural progression then. Oh well..........

Cazay

[JAP]

With Lu's lot - and she must be totally overwhelmed by now - anything seems possible!

It is looking not all that unlikely that Charles is the convict chappie - but who knows.

Ah well, stealing a waistcoat does sound like a nice gentlemanly and non-violent crime (assuming it wasn't being worn at the time) 

As you say, who knows where truth lies ...  And, of course, it was all back in a time when being a convict was a source of shame rather the very desirable social cachet it is nowadays.  I do remember my late mother desperately insisting on producing the passage certificates of her (unassisted) ancestors from 1850.  I'm still trying really really hard to find a convict but no luck - even the 1841 Irish lot (my earliest known lot so far) were assisted immigrants.  Nowadays the shame arises from not having a convict ancestor 

The only convict (though he was pardoned before sailing and subsequently came to Oz and became a respected? - not quite - businessman) that I can find is one on my children's paternal side; and it was for forgery & uttering (another 'gentlemanly' crime) and all the worthies and gentry in his area back in the UK spoke in support of him.  Nothing changes, eh!

We've rather taken over Lu's family, haven't we - I do hope she doesn't mind 

JAP

[tropicalj]

One would think  that Lucy  won't be  minding  at all.  What a  wealth  of  information  she  has  obtained from  this  thread  and  the  interesting twists and turns  of  the  tale.

However Girls  we  still  don't know  what  happened  to

1.  Jane Heasman  who  appears  to  have had a  child  with  another man  Peter Anderson  so  perhaps  she died as Anderson!

2. Willaim Heasman  who  to  my  way  of  thinking  if  he was really dead when  the  little  ones went  into  the orphanage  committed suicide and  as dear Annie  has  told  us  that wouldn't be recorded  on  the BDMs.  I  wonder  if  it  would  have  made  the newspaper at that time.  Could  that  have had any bearing  on  the court case.

3.  Anne Morinini's  child  born  in Australia, we cannot find  her death  in Australia ,  did she go  to New Zealand with  her mother.  (  I  wonder  if Lu  has  found  Annie Morinini's arrival  into New Zealand)


We  shall have to try  harder girls  (LOL)  cause  the  thread  can  only  run  for  20 odd pages  and  we are  up  to  14!!

I  am  going to download a certificate  in  Victoria  which  one  to  go  for  seeing as  how  JAP  kindly  did  George's.  Which  one  might give any  further information  to  us .  One  of  the girls  marriages  might  show  a witness  that could be of some  interest to  us.  Help  please

kind regards Jenn

[JAP]

Hello Jenn,

It's a pity that some HEASMAN descendants (other than Lu) don't come across this thread!  They might already have information which would help.  Or might have certificates already ...  There must surely be some more descendants around - from the children of Mary Ann (BALLI children), William, and Rachel (CAMERON & PARKIN children), and (if she had children) Amelia (who m BRADLEY)?

I don't have access to all the Victorian records.  Perhaps more information might be available from them before spending money on certificates? 

Re 1.  George's 1870 dc has at least confirmed the link between Jane Elizabeth (AYLMORE) HEASMAN & Peter ANDERSON. 
I do feel that George may well be a child of Peter ANDERSON also.  Did Peter & Jane Elizabeth ever marry, I wonder.
And I'm still troubled by the age of Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE (ca 52) at the 1871 birth of Elizabeth ANDERSON; I wonder what happened to Elizabeth ANDERSON.
Trying to find the death of Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE (possibly as ANDERSON) could be very difficult especially if the informant didn't know much about her.

Re 3.  Unless Lu has had a breakthrough subsequently, she'd had no luck with Annie's arrival in NZ.  Annie's MORININI husband and the child born in Australia, you'll remember, we thought might both have drowned about the 'General Grant'.

Hmmmm ....

JAP

[Lucy2]

~   Greetings  Everyone  ~

Apology :    So sorry to have been "absent without leave"
-  plagued by computer probs which have meant, among other things,  not being able to access this board, or having the connection fizzle out on me.    An enormously frustrating episode !

                   T H A N K S     

WOW ...  so much to catch up on !

Absolutely BRILLIANT work by you all,  and  again, my SINCERE THANKS for your efforts and ongoing support.

Kind regards

LU

[Lucy2]

Hi All   

Yesterday, by a stroke of good fortune, I discovered a HEASMAN family researcher, who will be joining in here shortly and has much to offer.

Hopefully, a few of our little "mysteries" are on the way to being solved ?

Lu

[Lucy2]

HELP  ....  please

Have some information, gleaned from a couple of publications, which I'd like to post here.    I don't plan to quote "word for word" from these sources, but just to give an overview and provide a comparison with other findings.

Do I need to state the names / authors of the publications ?

Thanks

Lu

[annecaroline]

Hi Lucy

Don't worry about names or sources at this point just tell us to start with what you have learnt?

Annie
PS How are the negotiations with Hollywood going for the rights of the story?