VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please

[JAP]

Hi Annie & Jenn,

I was referring to the initial move of possessions from (presumably) the Palmer Street Hotel to the place in Paddington where they were "hidden" (i.e. before William was declared insolvent and before the Assignee came into the picture).

But you are quite right that there is no mention of the clothing having formed part of the 'hidden' possessions.  My error.

But perhaps the point still applies i.e. wouldn't Jane have been aware that William was removing possessions (whether or not they included clothing) from the Palmer Street Hotel?  Ah well (what with 6 children and the demands of the hotel) perhaps not ...

JAP   

[tropicalj]

in Oct 1856  Annie  and Rachel  are sent to  the Orphans school  for three years  and  then  released  into  their sisters care.  We  know that the said sister Jane  marries  in 1856  but  dosen't take  tehm  to  1859?

Jane the  mother says  in  her letter she has  SIX little ones to care for  so  what  happened  to  the other four when two  were put in  the  orphan school ?


We  do  know  the following  information

1. Jane Elizabeth    born 1838 marries Charles WILKINSON, 1856 NSW

2.. Mary Ann           baptised 1843  married  in Victoria  in 1863
3.. William Richard  baptised in 1846  married  in NSW 1878
4.. Ann Amelia        baptised in Victoria in 1846 , married  in Victoria  in 1862
5..Rachel                baptised  Vic 1848 married  in Vic 1865   
6.Amelia                 baptised  Vic 1851 married  in Victoria in 1871


So  we  can see that  after 1859  the other four girls marry  in Victoria,  how did they get  there?

Did William  the  father  abscond  to  Victoria  and  his children  joined  him  there ?



what a  puzzle.

regards Jenn

[JAP]

Hi Jenn,

It is indeed a puzzle - as with everything to do with this family of Lu's!

Six children yes.

All perhaps still with Jane snr in 1855.  But by 1856 ...
*Jane jnr old enough to marry in 1856 - that disposes of her.
*Mary Ann probably about 15/16 (given that she was listed as age 1 on the passenger list in 1841) so old enough to go to work.
*William Richard possibly about 13 or so (from his age at death) so perhaps he too could have found work somewhere - perhaps living in with someone.
*Ann Amelia to the Orphan School.
*Rachel to the Orphan School.
*Amelia - only about 5 - might perhaps have stayed with older sister Jane?

But why the family moved to NSW in the first place (after Amelia's 1851 birth in Vic), and why some of the family later returned to Vic, remains just another of the puzzles of this intriguing family.

And we still have the puzzles of George HEASMAN and of the ANDERSON birth.

Not to mention trying to find the death of Jane (AYLMORE) HEASMAN who was reputedly dead at some stage of the time Ann Amelia & Rachel spent in the Orphan School ...

JAP

[annecaroline]

Hello All

I think JAP is on the money as to reasoning why only two of the girls went into the orphanage.

It would be interesting to see who gave Jane permission to marry Wilkinson as she was under age.As with the girls who married in Vic they would of been under age as well.

Mother Jane would have died about the time the change over from Church records to registration-might check inquest register just in case.

Has anyone checked the church registers for the earlier children? interested to see what occupation father has.

Could also check publician licenses to see when Wm Heasman got his hotel.

We still don't know for sure the police didn't catch up with him in the end.Might check the trial of the other two and see if there had been any further developments.

Annie

[JAP]

Hi again Annie,

Good ideas - inquest records, and trials re William.

Early Vic church record entries that I have are pretty useless - no info about occupations as far as I can recall.  Others may know more about this.

Sands & Macs directories for Victoria and NSW for all the people who have been mentioned anywhere in this thread (!!) just might give some useful clues?

If nothing's been found, next time I go into the city with some time to spare (hmmm - might be a while) I'll try to remember to go into the State Lib and look up the Sands & Macs.

JAP
PS: Wild weather here!  Today is my (even-numbered house) day for my permitted 3 hours per week of hand-held garden watering.  But fortunately it's pelting down!  Last night I went to a concert in the city (Choir of Westminster Abbey) and decided to catch the bus (trying to be 'green' - which mea culpa I don't usually do although the bus stops right outside my door though infrequently).  On my return, the time seemed to indicate that a return on the bus rather than by taxi might be appropriate.  Except that, on the way to the stop, it started pelting down!  And the bus was about 1/2 hour late - fortunately the stop had buildings one could shelter under.  But the weather and the surroundings were crazy - pelting rain, enormous lightning, reverberating thunder, wild winds, ambulances zooming right left and centre, the occasional fire engine, and poor young things all dressed up for a night on the town running hither and thither in an increasingly bedraggled state - it had been over 30C that day and they, particularly the girls, were all tarted up in teetering heels, the shortest of skirts, and barest of tops.  What a life!  Sorry for rabbiting on ... 

[annecaroline]

Hi

There is a W Heasman arriving in Sydney on "City of Sydney" 11 May 1860 from Melbourne.
Is this William coming to take his children back to Vic?Timing seems to fit.

Annie

[JAP]

Gosh Annie, Where do you find all this amazing information!

And, if it's William, were the police no longer looking for him?

The timing does indeed seem to fit.

Oh, if only the deaths of Jane (snr or jnr) HEASMAN and William HEASMAN could be found (admittedly some pretty wild mis-spellings of the surname have been found).

Looking forward to your next discovery!

JAP

[JAP]

Just expanding on William returning to NSW in May 1860 (just articulating points which Annie has clearly recognised).  Obviously one wonders whether he'd been exonerated in the intervening years ...

Jane jnr had an unnamed son in 1861 NSW (low number)
A son named Walter died Vic 1862 aged 11 months (low number)

Annie (Ann Amelia?) m Vic 1862
Marion (Mary Ann?) m Vic 1863
Rachel m Vic 1865
Amelia m Vic 1871

Why can't this pestiferous (sorry Lu!) family give us the other needed facts - death of William and death of Jane.  And explain George HEASMAN (parents William HEASMAN & Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE) who d Vic aged 4 in 1870, and also explain Elizabeth Jane ANDERSON born 1871 Vic (parents Peter ANDERSON & Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE).

Grrr-rr-r!

JAP

[tropicalj]

Hello  there

Annie,  William is  in Steerage  so  doesn't appear to have  found  his  fortune!!!

regards Jenn

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