VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please

[Lucy2]

Hi   ALL   

Must give credit here to KEA who introduced us, a little earlier on,  to the PapersPast link and all it offered - (thanks Stephanie).

I thought I'd try a search - February 1898 - to see if there might be something further regarding John / Thomas RICHINGS' "nasty accident":    This from page 1 "Star" (Christchurch) - Thursday, 3 February 1898 - a little "new" info:

" An accident occurred on the Northern railway line last evening by which Mr. John RITCHENS *, more commonly known as "Tom" RITCHENS, lost his life. .......
Ritchens, who was a dealer in a small way, was about 59 years and was well known at the Addington yards for a number of years.   ......   He leaves a wife and a grown-up son and daughter. "
[*  RITCHENS - the rival newspaper ("Press") had him listed as "Thomas RICHARDS".     His alias "Tom" is confirmed here and children specified as "son and daughter" ]:

Cheers     Lu

[tropicalj]

Hello  there Lucy

Jjust a question  for you  that  you  may  have allready  answered  in  one  of  the  postings

I  know You  checked  the  newspapers for  the death of  Anne  Morinini ?  or  did  you check  for Anne Richings?

kind regards Jenn

[Lucy2]

Hi Jenn   

Good question !     I was just looking for - Annie MORININI (but in saying that, I think I would probably have spotted the "RICHINGS" name had it been there).    Annoyingly, the newspapers I viewed (and I remember this distinctly), had been filmed in a manner whereby the left-hand columns of same, (where BDM notices appear),  were "curled under"  thus distorting the print.   That is to say, I imagine the papers were in some sort of "bound" form (down the "spine" ) when they were filmed so the pages could simply be flipped over - rather than spreading them out "flat" for filming.

Ah .... but your question reminds me that I should not just have relied on this one obvious source !    Thanks Jenn, will get stuck in tomorrow and search the other newspapers.

Cheers       Lu   

[gennig]

Hi Lucy

These was on the Victorian Indexes.

Mary Ann HESIMAN christened 1843 St James Melbourne Reg: 13193 Parents: William & Jane

Marion CALDWELL died 1890 South Melb aged 43 parents: William HEASMAN & Jane Elizth ELMORE Reg:

Marion HEASMAN married John BALLI  1863 Reg: 1380
Children:-
James BALLI born 1864 Reg: 1926 Daylesford (mother listed as Mary Ann ISSMAN)
George BALLI born 1865 Reg: 14820 Daylesford (mother listed as Marion ESMOND)

John BALLE died 1867 Reg: 6304 Born: Switzerland

regards


Genni

[tropicalj]

Hello  there

Genni  oh  that is another interesting  find  so  now  there is  another daughter married  at a  very young  age  but  that seem  to be quite exceptable  then  doesn't it.

I must read  the  entire  thread  again  to see if  the deaths of Willam  and jane  have been  found.

Kind regards Jenn

[Lucy2]

Hi Genni     

That is excellent information !    Thank you so much.

And aren't all the different spellings of surnames interesting ?     (I guess though names were written as they "sounded").    The child Mary Ann, christened 1843, was on the passenger list - 1841 "Alexander" - though not on the 1841 census at Middlesex with parents and sister.  Seems she must have been born shortly before the familys departure for AUS.   So that's wonderful that you've found her - had thought perhaps that she had not survived the voyage.

"Marion" (d. 1890) is a "new one" - seems to have been born c. 1847, and with siblings a year either side!   Wow, these Heasman's sure did their "bit" to boost the population in a hurry!     

That's a super effort on your part Genni, in finding these and the additional info on marriage / children is so helpful.       Many thanks again.

Kind regards

Lu         

[Lucy2]

Hi  Jenn   

What a collection of "Heasmans" (and variations) we're building up !    A wonderful find by Genni !

Yes, would be great to find the parents William and Jane Elizabeth   ...  I'm thinking they're out there somewhere, but likely indexed (or buried) under another "weird" spelling of the surname ?

After "CAZAY's" posting, re:  the Orphan school listing - October 1856 -  Ann Heasman (eight) and Rachel (6),  I remembered that there was a boy named "George" (b.c. 1866 - died aged 4 in 1870) who's parents were William and Jane Elizabeth.    (see JAP's post # 13).

I'm just trying to figure out ...  that if one or other of the Heasman parents died circa 1856,   then "how so"  there is a child born to "them" around 1866   ? ? ?

Wonder if the children could be admitted to an Orphan school, if they weren't actually "orphans" ?     Puzzling ?

Cheers       Lu

[JAP]

Hi again Lu,

Yes, like you I'd think that Mary Ann, christened 1843, is the Mary Ann said to be aged 1 on the 1841 passenger list.  Especially as we found a christening for Jane Elizabeth (age 3 on the passenger list) in London but not one for Mary Ann, and that Mary Ann isn't with the family in the 1841 census, and that we couldn't find a registration of her birth in England.

Genni's 'Marion' is surely Mary Ann (note her given name on the birth of James BALLI).  And ages on death certs are notoriously unreliable!  Perhaps, after the death of John BALLI, when she presumably re-married to a Mr CALDWELL, he might have been a younger man and she might have told a little fib - not unknown  .

From the information on the NSW State Records site
http://www.whitepages.com.au/wp/initResSearch.do
it seems that the Orphan Schools were for needy and destitute children as well as actual orphans.  And remember that both parents were named on the Petition so they must have been alive at the time.

As for George, who knows ...  Perhaps the age at death on the index is wrong ...

I guess that many of the questions could be answered by purchase of all the certificates and other documentation.  But that might mean that you would end up destitute 

JAP

[tropicalj]

Hello  there


re the information  on  the State Records offic  NSW

as supplied  by  Cazay

www.records.nsw.gov.au             (online indexes)


Date of Petition 18 Oct 1856

Ann Heasman 8
Rachel Heasman 6

Parents are William and Jane Heasman

Bmd index - V18463367 31A/1846 William R Heasman
V18463368 31A/1846 Ann A
Parents are William and Jane E Heasman


here is a  little snippet from  the information  therein

Who was eligible for admission?

The children were normally between the ages of three and ten years and not eligible for admission to the Orphan Schools. Every child admitted (including voluntary admissions) was to remain the responsibility of the Institution until aged 19 or, in the case of a female marrying earlier, until her marriage.

If  these  girls  had  to stay  there  until  their marriage  maybe  that  might explain  why they  married so  young.  Anything  to  get  out  of  such  dreadfull  places.

A  copy  of  the  entry  would  be very  interesting!  They  may have been  put  into care by  their parents!


kind regards Jenn