VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please

[Lucy2]

Hi ALL  

GRATEFUL thanks to RAYLEN who found this entry.

Marriage in the District of Fitzroy, Victoria ~  1869
[Indexed as "HENDERSON, Peter  -   # 4625]

-   Tuesday, 5 October 1869
-   at 174 Gertrude ? Street, Fitzroy
-   Peter HENDERSON *  [* this first entry of surname could either be ANDERSON or HENDERSON - elsewhere on record it is spelt as "Henderson".      Groom has signed X ~ his mark]!!
-    Bachelor  - Occupation:  Digger -  Age: 31
-    No previous issue
-    Born:  Norway
-    Parents:   Andrew HENDERSON, farmer
     - Maqua ?  or   Macyna ?  TORNELLA ?

-    Jane Elizabeth HEASMAN
-    Widow - death of former husband - 1867
-    Children:  Living - 7       Dead:  2
-    Age:   39      Occupation:   Hotelkeeper
-    Born:   London
-    Parents:   Joseph AYLMORE, Ships Captain
     -  Ann AYLMORE (nee REAVES ~ likely "REEVES")

Present and usual addresses (for both) - Queen Street, Melbourne.
Witnesses:   Jane MORTIMER ?
                     Francis or Frances* ~ his or her mark
                     CHACLEY  ... or could be "CHARLES"
[* Francis - mark on page - hard to tell if 'Francis or Frances (girl)" ?]
Marriage according to the rites of Victorian Free Church,
Nathanael KINSMAN, minister :
                                   ______________

[Interesting - hubby has signed with his mark - yet we have his signature - somewhere (oh ... perhaps it was after 1869?]

[Lucy2]

Hi Annie   

Thanks muchly for Wilkinson marriage.

Interesting eh ?      [Father:  William HEASMAN ~ Gentleman (oh really) !!]

Looks like Mum and daughter might have been in the PUB business ... both addresses "Queen Street" ?

Cheers   LU

[PS  Sorry 'bout ya cocoa Annie ... my brain had actually gone a bit numb going thru the process of getting the cert. details  ....  managed OK in the end ... just a bit taxing to have to "think" at this time of night (1.oo AM here) !]

[Raylen]

Jane's new husband William Thomas Harper didn't last long!

Death
HARPER William Thomas born Birmingham
died 1871 in Victoria age 25 years
Father: Thomas    Mother Annie Stringa
Reg No: 9037

Raylen

***  Sorry - just found this was already known.

[Lucy2]

Hi Raylen     

You're a GEM !    Thanks for that.

Blimey  ....   I can barely keep pace with all the "dames" in this family !      Utterly woeful with their maths  ... wonder how they got on if they were in the pub / hotel business - bet they all knew "how many beans, make five" ?   

Again, that was a brilliant find of yours - the "HENDERSON" marriage ....  thanks again.

Regards
Lu

[JAP]

There's always a 'nice' connexion with this family!!

And more and more history lessons.

We've had the famous Political Parson, Rev J Dunmore LANG.
We've had the famous Flogging Parson, the Rev Samuel MARSDEN.
And now we have the famous Marrying Parson, the Rev Nathaniel KINSMAN!!
(Perhaps 'famous' should read 'notorious' for the above three gentlemen?).

KINSMAN married my Grandparents, AJ SULLIVAN & Ada TRIPPIT at Moor St Fitzroy, Vic according to the rites of the 'Victorian Free Church'.  Just to make a wee NZ connexion for the sake of this thread - Ada migrated from Sheffield to NZ with her parents at age 3, and her Pa (my Ggpa) is buried in Christchurch ...

I have a copy of an article from 'The Genealogist' September 1986 by Betty Donaldson.  To quote from an 1898 quote in that article:
"The 'Rev.' Nathaniel Kinsman, who has for many years been well known in Melbourne as the 'marrying parson' died on 24th ult.  With Mr. Kinsman the celebration of a marriage was purely a matter of business; the charges were regulated 'to suit the times' and the pockets of the parties, and all possible facilities were offered.
...
By the death of the 'Rev.' Nathaniel Kinsman, minister of the Victorian Free Church of England, there disappears one of the most singular figures of the generation.  To have been within an ace of ordination for the Church of England, to have afterwards founded a church of his own, and to have carried on simultaneously the businesses of parson and secondhand salesman - these are incidents which might occur in the life of any man.  But to have joined in more or less happy matrimonial bonds some 9800 couples, that is an achievement before which even the famous Gretna Green blacksmith might well hide his dimished head ..."

What a circus!

JAP
PS: Raylen, no need for apologies given the highways, byways, and diversions of this crazy thread - your HENDERSON/HEANNAN marriage find was an absolute corker.  If I recall correctly, William HARPER is in the IGI with, as I recall, mother STRINGER - but I fear we'll never stop if we explore the genealogy of the husbands. 

[tropicalj]

A  question? from  her second marriage

-    Jane Elizabeth HEASMAN
-    Widow - death of former husband - 1867
-    Children:  Living - 7       Dead:  2

now  there  are  only  7  children  have been  found so  far ,  add in George  thats  8  but  9......  interesting,

we also  "know"  that No.2. Ann Amelia  died,  so  who  is the  9th child.

Would  I  be right  in assuming  that the  9th  child  might  have been  a born  and  died  perhaps  in England  and  hasn't been found?  (never assume  I  know especially  this  mob of  poor mathematicians  she  just  might  have  miscalculated given  her adding up skills,  and  George  is  still alive  in 1867 so  it is not  him)

regards Jenn

[Lucy2]

G'morning Jenn   

.....  yes, I'm a bit puzzled about No. 2 "dead" child ?
Seems though that George d. 1870, did belong to Jane and William (rather than being the George BALLI child) ?

Annoying, her maths skills .... yes, might be another child who died in England, or perhaps there was one between Amelia (bapt. 1851) and the birth of George (c. 1865) ?
Wondering if there was a child born during their time in NSW ?

Regards
Lu

[JAP]

Something odd seems to have happened to RC.  Last night (my time) I amended my post re the Rev Nathaniel Kinsman and I posted re Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE's parents.  But neither the amendments nor the post is here ...

Re Jane's parents: that's good that the marriage cert (ANDERSON/HEASMAN) confirms what we had for Jane's parents and siblings in Posts #42 & #44 back on Page 3.

To quote from page 3:
"As neither William nor Jane was born in Middlesex, might this be Jane:
Jane Elizth AYLMORE, parents Josiah and Ann, bap 5 Aug 1818, Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire.
Josiah and Ann had (at least):
Jane Elizth. AYLMORE, bap 5 Aug 1818, St Thomas, Portsmouth
Amelia AYLMORE, bap 2 Sep 1821, St Mary's, Portsea, Hampshire
Thomas Reeves AYLMORE, bap 10 Feb 1823, St John's, Portsea"
The last one should have read George Reeves AYLMORE  

Later addition (see Post #307): there's also Ann HELMORE (sic), parents Josiah HELMORE or AYLMORE & Ann, bap 23 Oct 1816, Holy Trinity, Gosport, Hampshire

And in Post #45 on Page 4, Lu found the marriage of a Joseph AYLMORE & an Ann REEVES, 1816, St Mary's Portsea.

JAP

[sparrett]

Hi Jap,
Apparently there was a major 'failure/breakdown ' at Rc from 1pm UK time.
It seems that about 6 hours of postings and data were lost.
Dear Trystan is upset

It is in the Common room.
Sue