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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #279 on: Sunday 11 November 07 04:45 GMT (UK) »
Hello  there 
JAP 
Thats  is  just  terrific, with it alltogether it will  make  it easier for  others,  I  had  cut and  pasted  to  word document  where  I  have  little  notes  to  myself when  ruling  things  out.

Now  how many pages  long can  this  thread be  before  a  new one has  too start ? is  it 21?

kind  regards Jenn

Probably  have  to  ask  Kris  or  Dee that! 

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« Reply #280 on: Sunday 11 November 07 05:09 GMT (UK) »
Dear  JAP      :)

Wonderful summarising ... thanks soooo much !

From ALL of us        :)

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« Reply #281 on: Sunday 11 November 07 05:10 GMT (UK) »
Aumarire,  I always go for the simple explanation (Occam's Razor!) and so have never doubted that there's only one Mary Ann/Marion/Marian ever since we first came across her BALLI & CALDWELL connexions back on Page 6  :)

Her date of birth is something which might or might not be able to be resolved.

Perhaps Lu will be able to have a more relaxed look at the Fiche (I think she said that she found Mary Ann at 2 minutes to closing time!).

I know that, for one set of my Irish lot who arrived in Port Phillip in 1841 as Bounty Immigrants, the fiche included a detailed report about the journey and the passengers.  It lists my family with ages, occupations, religion, whether able to read and write (not too reliable! - my Ggma Julia, listed as Judy, aged 2 was said to be able to read and write!!), wherefrom, and the bounty paid.
The report included a reference to the number of deaths (7) and the number & sex of births (5 females & 1 male) during the voyage.
Whether it specifically named who died and who was born in the individual entries I don't know - it didn't involve my lot and I have only a partial transcription of the report made about 8 years ago (why didn't I copy it, eh!).

Over the course of this thread, we've seen varying departure and arrival dates for the 'Alexander'.  And we've seen Mary Ann as 1 on the passenger list on the PROV, and 7 weeks from Lu.  And we don't know whether those are ages at departure or on arrival.  Perhaps there is further information to be found on the fiche.

Now a couple of other thoughts.

1. Charles Leslie PARKIN b 1893 - that's a long gap from the previous known births (Edith & William John in 1881).
Has anyone found any between 1881 and 1893?  I can't check the index but am wondering ... (shades of Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE/HEASMAN/ANDERSON?).
A David Leslie QUICK, son of Rachel's daughter Ann Amelia PARKIN and John William George QUICK, died 1978 age 63.  

2. We don't actually have any proof that William R HEAS(E)MAN who m 'Harrul' J NEWBY in Wellington NSW in 1878, and died in Wellington NSW in 1897 is the son, William Richard, of William HEASMAN & Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE, do we.  It's the only time Wellington came into the picture.  William's parents were not named in the death index.  His age on the headstone inscription is 56 (gives dob of ca 1840) whereas 'our' William was bap 1846 and was said to be aged 9 on the 1856 Orphan School petition.  And there is another HEASEMAN (Henry d 1858 aged 76) in Wellington.

JAP
PS: Pls give a yell everyone if I've left out anything major in the re-posted summaries.  I know I've found some myself - I lost bits in the cutting & pasting, esp in making 2 parts into 3.  

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« Reply #282 on: Sunday 11 November 07 05:15 GMT (UK) »
Also  we  have  a  record  for a W. Heasman
on  the CITY OF SYDNEY ship  from Melbourne  to Sydney  11/5/1860  he was a passenger  in Steerage.

This  MIGHT be  William  R.  Heasman    returning to  Sydney!

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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #283 on: Sunday 11 November 07 05:57 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jenn,

I'd wondered about that when it was first posted.
IF William R's baptism (1846) was soon after his birth, and IF William R's age on the 1856 Orphan School petition (9) was right, that would make him only about 14 in 1860 ...

I think the earliest dates we have HEASMANs back in Vic (after the 1855 bankruptcy etc in NSW) were the death of Walter WILKINSON in Vic in 1862, and Annie's marriage to MORININI, also in 1862 ...

Who knows ...

JAP

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« Reply #284 on: Sunday 11 November 07 06:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi Aumarire

In addition to the points already made by JAP ~

The "Alexander" passenger list was only quickly viewed by me yesterday.     "Mary Ann ~ 7 weeks" is what was recorded under the listing for the HAISMAN (sic) family.   At that point, that was all the information I was actually looking for (you'll see at #266 annecaroline's post, that she too has found a record which states "7 weeks").

Obviously I wasn't to know that a short time later , our clever Annie (annecaroline - post #248) would find the baptism record for Mary Ann giving her birthdate as "1 Dec
1841"!    Having this new info, now brings into question, whether Mary Ann was 7 weeks of age at the time of leaving England (30 Aug 1841) ....  OR ... whether she may have been born during the voyage !     That means the passenger list now needs to be looked at again to see whether (a) Mary Ann is recorded as "born at sea" .... and / or  (b)   whether (this pass. list) is the emigration agents list prepared before departure, or it has been compiled at the time of arrival of the "Alexander" !     (I'm not sure whether these PROV records are available for viewing in your area) ?
Incidentally, they appear to be "photographed" copies of original lists.

I agree that Mary Ann / Marion is most usually shown as having the birthplace "Melbourne".

There is though the record for a "Mary Ann HEASMAN" voyage to Hokitika - 1866, giving an age which equates to an 1840-41 birthdate, and also a "UK" place of birth (though presumably an Australian citizen of that era was termed a British subject) ?     This may not of course be Mary Ann BALLI (nee HEASMAN) ... but we haven't found a Mary Ann or Marion BALLI on a passenger list to NZ !

Lu
    

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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #285 on: Sunday 11 November 07 06:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi

It would appear both Lucy and I looked at the exact same shipping record.I did check to see if there were any notes about births or deaths on voyage but no mention made.

I have also looked at the baptism of William he was baptised 16 Sept 1846 along with Ann Amelia the same day -no birth date is recorded.
They were the only two on the page who didn't have a birth date-naturally!
Forgot to mention I also looked at Cecil Payne 's will .He died 29 May 1938 .Address was "Bayview"Henley Marine Drive,Drummoyne.He was aged 46yrs.Left everything to his wife Christina and if she died to any children he may of had.(Didn't actually say if he did or mention any names)
The Executrix was his sister inlaw Helen Gove.I found this Helen Gove dying in 1974 and her sister Christina Payne was still alive then as she was mentioned in the death notice.
So I would say age wise Cecil is the Frances C born to Florence.
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« Reply #286 on: Sunday 11 November 07 06:46 GMT (UK) »
Lucy

Do you actually have the MORININI marriage certificate?

And have the ITMs been looked at for both Ann Amelia and Mary Ann under Heasman,Morinini,Balli and various spellings etc

I have just realised that Jane Wilkinson married the same year her mother did -not far apart in reg numbers.
I think I will get the Wilkinson marriage -this is just so much fun and one never knows

Annie

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Re: VIC - Marriage(s) -Look up please
« Reply #287 on: Sunday 11 November 07 07:57 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annie    :)

No, I don't have the MORININI marriage cert (didn't think it important enough way back when we discovered Annie, and the (precious) funds got diverted to buying the NZ certs, bankruptcy records etc.) !

Yeah, there's something "odd" I feel about this Jane Elizabeth (the younger)   .... don't know what .... just can't put my finger on it ?       Must go back and re-visit some of that  earlier info on her.

Cheers
Lu