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« Reply #180 on: Sunday 04 November 07 00:57 GMT (UK) »
Great information you have found Annie

Always an added bonus getting those death certificates from the files and now the Clerk at the Treasury is confirmed.  I was a bit sceptical when I saw Charles in the 1861 as Col. (Colonel) and thought that Jap's comment being a bit upmarket was probably right.

I guess you can never assume until all the facts are found.

Found Charles Wilkinson's marriage in NSW

V184696 31C/1846 Charles Wilkinson Mary A Milton Sydney St Andrews

Births:
V1849643 34A/1849 Charles F
V1850683 37A/1850 William T H

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« Reply #181 on: Sunday 04 November 07 01:09 GMT (UK) »
OK, folks.

But first a reminder.

A child, Elizabeth Jane ANDERSON, was born to a Peter ANDERSON & a Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE, 1871 Coll, #8821

Death certificate.
*1870, Deaths in the District of Emerald Hill in the Colony of Victoria, #4125
*9 April 1870, 45 Clarendon Street, Emerald Hill, 8 a.m.
*George HEASMAN (corrected from EASTMAN), Child
*Male, 4 years
*Liver disease - dropsy.  For three months.  Certified by Mr Barrett, Surgeon, Emerald Hill who last saw him on 8 April 1870.
*Parents William HEASMAN, Carpenter, and Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE
*Informant - (signed) Peder ANDERSEN, A Friend, Emerald Hill
*Registrar - William HAIG, 11 April 1870, Emerald Hill
*Buried - 11 April 1870, Melbourne General Cemetery, undertaker Joseph HILL; CPM BORDIN(??) Church of England Minister; witnesses Joseph CLOWES(?) & J PURVIS
*Born Melbourne Victoria; lived four years in Victoria

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« Reply #182 on: Sunday 04 November 07 01:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi
This is what I found yesterday that has me confused.

In the Colonial Secretary's Correspondence .
Letter dated 15 Oct 1856
Sir,
I have the honour to request that the requisite authority may be given for the admission of the four following children into the Protestant Orphan Schools at Parramatta,viz
William Heasman aged nine yrs
Anne Heasman aged eight yrs
Rachel Heasman age six  yrs
Amelia Heasman age 4yrs

The father of these children William Heasman who had for sometime kept a public house at Woolloomooloo died about sixteen months ,since his widow Jane Heasman ,who has hitherto maintained them ?? her own industry ,is able to do so no longer,in consequence of her infirm health.

I beg to enclose the certificate of the visiting surgeon of the infirmary as to their state of health.
I have the honour to be
Sir,
Your most Obedient Servant
John Dunmore Lang


Note at side of page
In consequence of its crowded state no boy,nor any girls who are not above 6yrs of age ,can be admitted into the Protestant Orphan School for the present.

Both Anne and Rachel may admitted .20 Oct 1856

Annie

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« Reply #183 on: Sunday 04 November 07 01:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Doing the maths this would make William Heasman's death June 1855 which is when the police had the warrant out for him.Is he really dead??Or is he the W Heasman who returned from Melbourne to Sydney in 1860?
I think it is him and he took the family back to Melbourne

Annie


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« Reply #184 on: Sunday 04 November 07 01:29 GMT (UK) »
True Annie

 but  then  the wife Jane Heasman  has a child  toanother man  but  no  sign of a  marriage  to  him  at  this point.

edited  by  Jenn  cause goodness knows  where  my  mind was!!!
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« Reply #185 on: Sunday 04 November 07 02:15 GMT (UK) »
I've been trying to sort things out in my own mind so I made a timeline (e.&o.e.) of what I think might be relevant facts for Jane Elizabeth HEASMAN later WILKINSON later HARPER, died as WILKINSON.  Might as well post it ...

There are many loose ends (absence of bdm records etc) yet to be tied up ...

1838 Jane Elizabeth HEASMAN b in London, parents William HEASMAN (b ca 1817) & Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE (b ca 1819)

1841 Family migrates to Victoria

1843-1851 Siblings of Jane are baptized in Victoria

1855 William HEASMAN is made bankrupt in NSW

1855 ca June; William HEASMAN said to have died (i.e. ca 16 months before Oct 1856 admission of children to the Orphan School).  Or was this an untruth because he was on the run from his creditors and the police?

1856 Jane marries Charles WILKINSON in NSW

1856 October; Application (stating William HEASMAN has been dead for ca 16 months and mother Jane is infirm and no longer able to care for them) made for admission to the Orphan School, NSW of siblings of Jane’s (William 9, Anne 8, Rachel 6, Amelia 4).  Ann and Rachel admitted. 

1858 Male WILKINSON b & d as infant, Chippendale, NSW

1859 Jane’s siblings Ann & Rachel released from the Orphan School into her care.

1860 Female WILKINSON b & d as infant, Chippendale, NSW

1860 May; W HEASMAN is on a passenger list from Melbourne to Sydney; is this William (back from the dead?) ?

1861 Male WILKINSON b Chippendale, NSW

1862 Walter WILKINSON, 11 months born Sydney, dies 1862 Vic

1862 One of Jane’s siblings (Annie) marries in Victoria

1863 One of Jane’s siblings (Mary Ann) marries in Victoria

1864 Nameless child WILKINSON b Redfern, NSW

1865 One of Jane’s siblings (Rachel) marries in Victoria

1867 Laura WILKINSON b Emerald Hill, Vic

1868 Charles WILKINSON, Jane’s husband dies St Kilda, Vic (Jane’s children listed as Rachael 11, Walter dead, Thomas Frances 4(?), Florence 1.

1870 Jane Elizabeth WILKINSON (b London) m William Thomas HARPER (b Birmingham) in Victoria

1870 Apr; Jane Elizabeth HARPER, wife of William Thomas HARPER Sydney, makes application re estate of Charles WILKINSON (says he died leaving her with 5 children)

1870 Sept; Jane’s children Frances 6 and Florence 3 admitted to the Orphan School, NSW (father dead, mother unable to support)

1871  A William Thomas HARPER, born Birm (remember, Birmingham was the birthplace of the groom of this name at his 1869 marriage to Jane WILKINSON), age 26, dies in Victoria

1871 One of Jane’s siblings (Amelia) marries in Victoria

1872 Jan; Florence released to mother’s care

1873 Jan; Florence 5 ½ re-admitted (mother has another child to support)

1874 July; Frances released to mother’s care

1878 One of Jane’s siblings (William) marries in NSW

1903 Jane WILKINSON on the Electoral Roll in Chippendale

1919 Jane Elizabeth WILKINSON dies Granville, NSW

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A related puzzle.

Later note: *1869, Vic, Jane Elizabeth HEASMAN (as HEANNAN) b London m Peter ANDERSON (as HENDERSON) b Norway
*1870 April, George HEASMAN, parents said to be William HEASMAN & Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE, dies Emerald Hill, Vic, age 4, said to have been born in Melbourne, Vic, informant Peder ANDERSEN – A Friend, Emerald Hill.
Were William HEASMAN & Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE really the parents of George?
Later note: It has been suggested that George might really have been George BALLI, son of John BALLI & Mary Ann HEASMAN (indexed as Marion ESMOND), b Dayl, 1865 #14820
*1871 March, Elizabeth ANDERSON, parents Peter ANDERSON & Jane Elizabeth AYLMORE (cert has ANDERSON formerly HEASMAN nee AYLMORE), born Coll, Vic.
*1871 September, Amelia HEASMAN marries; witnesses are Peter and JE ANDERSON.

Jane Elizabeth (AYLMORE) HEASMAN was b ca 1819 so would have been ca 52 in 1871 - not impossible but unlikely.  Is something fishy going on?

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« Reply #186 on: Sunday 04 November 07 02:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Jap ,excellent summary I was hoping you would do one of your specials.
I would like to add the two girls Florence and Frances who were admitted to the Orphan school in 1870 didn't have the parents names in the records except to mention that the dead father had been in the Treasury Dept.
The Florence admitted 1873 did have the names Jane & Charles in the parent's column.
The ages of Florence tally up and I can't find a birth that would match any other parents.So I at a loss to explain if they belong to someone else-might have to go back and see if any letters survive in Col Sec's correspondence.
Is Florence really the Laura born in Vic?Jane stated when doing administration for her husband's estate that she had 5 children to support-this would be right if you include the two sons from his previous marriage but they were well past the age of needing support.
There also was a letter in the administration file from Mr Harper giving his wife permission to administer her late husband's estate -which was nice of him.

Annie

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« Reply #187 on: Sunday 04 November 07 02:52 GMT (UK) »
Hello Annie,

IF Charles's dc is correct, the 5 children would have included Rachael, Thomas, and Florence.

We haven't found a birth for Rachael (11 in 1868).

We haven't found a birth for Thomas Frances (4? in 1868).
Later note: Perhaps the nameless child WILKINSON b Redfern NSW 1864

We haven't found a birth for Florence (1 in 1868).  Yes, perhaps she's Laura b 1867 Emerald Hill - a mistranscription of Flora?

We haven't found a birth for Frances (was she a posthumous child of Charles?)

And the 5th child is a puzzle ...

JAP
PS: I don't like making assumptions but it does seem pretty safe to assume that Florence and Frances are Jane WILKINSON's children?

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« Reply #188 on: Sunday 04 November 07 03:04 GMT (UK) »
Hello


in  1858  in Victoria  there is a birth for Rachael Wilkinson  no father listed  mother is Jane Wilkinson  could  this  be a  possiblity,  or  just a red herring?

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