John Brock b. 1811 - how many of 'em?

[meles]

Pels told me about a Brock marriage I had missed (Thanks again, Pels!)   I was intrigued and bought the certificate. Now I am confused!

The certificate (21 March 1869, Alburgh) has the following information:

John Brock, full age, Widower, Carpenter, resident in Alburgh, Father John Brock, Carpenter
Frances Reed, Full age, Widow, no prof., resident in Alburgh, Father William Wall, Labourer

(Witnesses S Y Brock and Kate Brock)

Here they are in 1871:

Alburgh Census
John Brock, 60, Carpenter, b. Gt Yarmouth
Frances, 59, Dressmaker, b. Denton

and in 1881
Alburgh Census
John Brock, 70, Carpenter out of employ b. Yarmouth
Frances, 70, b. Denton

But where was John before then?

Well, there is:

1851 Alburgh
John Brock, 40, Carpenter Journeyman b. Alburgh
Elizabeth 40, b. Roydon (?)
Ellen, 8 b. Alburgh
Susanna, 3 b. Alburgh
Mary Ann, 1 b. Alburgh

1861 Alburgh
John Brock, 51, Carpenter b. Alburgh
Elizabeth, 51, b. Raydon
Ellen 19, b. Alburgh
Susanna 13, b. Alburgh
Mary Ann 11 b. Alburgh

But this one is born in Yarmouth, not Alburgh.

And there is also:

1841, Alburgh:
John Brock, 30, Ag Lab b. Norfolk
Elizabeth, 30
Infant (F), 4 days (aaah!)

and

1841, Gt Yarmouth, Row 36
John Brock, 30, Sawyer b. Norfolk
George, 15
William,11
Edward, 9

I can't find any others.

Did he just change his birthplace? Why? how many John Brocks b. 1811 are we talking about?

meles

[philipsearching]

Starting with the two in 1841 - John Brock (Alburgh) and John Brock (Yarmouth).  If you can find only one of them in 1851 then one of them must have died, emigrated or hidden when the enumerator came round.

The John and Elizabeth Brock in Alburgh in 1841 may not be the same John and Elizabeth on the 1851 and 1861 censuses. It is possible that Yarmouth John married and moved to Alburgh, but it is also possible that Alburgh John decided to change jobs.

I can only see one likely death on FreeBMD:  John Brock, Dec 1846, Depwade, vol 13 p31.  Do you have this certificate?  Hopefully this would help narrow down the options.

Philip

[meles]

Thanks for your input, Philip.

My lot come from Denton, 1 mile from Alburgh. They moved to Yarmouth in the early 1800's.

There are literally dozens of Brocks in Alburgh. But I can't link the two groups. So this info might just be what I'm looking for.

I am glad that you think that 1841 John and Elizabeth could be different to the later ones. Did people change jobs in those days?

SY Brock is a carpenter. His wife is Catherine (is she the Kate, I wonder?)

I don't have the death certificate. I am wary of buying it as there are so many John Brocks in Depwade (which covers Alburgh and Denton) it might not throw up much. On the other hand this wedding cert. has given me huge food for thought!

meles

[The Yokel]

Hi meles

Does the John Brock will on the Norfolk Sources site help !

http://www.norfolksources.norfolk.gov.uk/Overview.aspx?n=0&x=0

yokel

[meles]

Thanks, Yokel, for that. I found a Probate document, which was very interesting. This is yet another John Brock of Alburgh. I said there were lots! 

meles

[liverpool annie]

Well now for something entirely different  ... although he isn't one of yours Meles .. I thought you may be interested !!

http://www.warof1812.ca/brock.htm

Annie 

[meles]

Thanks Annie - I did know about that one.

Also no relation is the chap who created the Queen Victoria Memorial in front of Buckingham Palace.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/speel/sculpt/brock.htm

Mine are ag labs and fishmongers! (And possibly carpenters, if I could only find out more about John!)

I think the John who Yokel found for me might be John and Elizabeth's Dad.

meles

[kazzablues1]

I just joined Rootschat and found these queries on John Brock. I can tell you that the John Brock in Yarmouth in 1841 with the three boys George, William and Edward isnt the one, as he is from my husband's line and he emigrated to Australia with his family around 1855.
I've been having trouble finding where he is from, I only know he was born in Norfolk - I havent been able to find him in 1851 to verify his roots. But he definitely isn't the one that is married to Frances!
Karen

[meles]

A BIG welcome to Rootschat, providing some very, very useful info! 

I have a massive database on Brocks in Norfolk. I will PM you.

meles