Birth & census help, which Thomas

[patrish]

Well thats confirms it, you have the wrong marriage certifcate I am afraid    and  thats why the wittness dont help.

So now we have to find Thomas Rogers b 1839 Atcham on the 41 .

  I have checked the deaths for a William Rogers on the free bmd but there is nothing showing before 1860.

I will take another look at the 41, and 51 census's  Shropshire.

[pettsy]

Are you sure it's the wrong marriage cert 
He married Ann Williams, and Ann William was Harriets Rogers mother.

I have Harriet Rogers birth cert....
And Harriet was my great grans mother.

I couldn't find a death for William Rogers either 

It's getting very confusing 

[patrish]

Sorry yes I was just thinking the same thing, it should be the right one, my heads going around in circles. 

[pettsy]

Oh I know, it's so easy, I have to take a step back sometimes and double check everythink.
It's so easy to follow the wrong lead.

The marriage is correct, but where his birth is 

My head is spinning too 

[patrish]

I simply cannot find  Thomas b 1839 with a father William anywhere on the 1841 grrr. we now know its not the other family.

What about  sending  for the birth of Thomas Rogers b March q 1839 Atcham 18 - 14.  I cant think of anything else to suggest.

I wonder if  he was illegitimate as they very often falsified their fathers on marriage certificates, my own gt grandmother did that. 

If that was the case the mother could be living with someone else or married and he would be down under thier surname 

There are so many possibilities 

[pettsy]

Yes I think I will order the Atcham cert.
My nan was born there too, so the families have been there for a long time, still there now.
Nan left for London in the 1930's.

You could be right.
My gg grandfather on my mums side, has no father on his birth cert, yet on his marriage cert he has John Cannon deceased 
I know it cannot be his father, as Cannon was his mothers maiden name.

Anyway lets no start on that it's been confusing enough.

I will let you know the outcome of the birth cert.
Don't know if to do a check for father named William now, in case he did make it up for his marriage cert 

Thank you for all you help 

[patrish]

Don't know if to do a check for father named William

Personally Pettsy I would not, I think you just have to take a chance this time as we cant find any other that fits within that time frame and right area,   at least you will know who this Thomas's father is (hopefully)  so we may able to eliminate him if nothing else.

Yes please do let me know,     we may have to go off on another hunt   

[pettsy]

I won't do a check, as father may not even be on cert 

I bet they are having a laugh at us, up there 

I hope it holds a clue, but I still cannot find him on 1841 without a father 

[patrish]

I hope it holds a clue, but I still cannot find him on 1841 without a father

Me neither  think I am going to ask for help from a very good friend here