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Re: Birth & census help, which Thomas
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 18:03 BST (UK) »
His birth may not have been registered  ???
My great grandfather was born c1864 and has no birth certificate  :'(
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Re: Birth & census help, which Thomas
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 18:51 BST (UK) »
Another thought was there no wife on the 41 census with William  ???


Can you please post the full reference as I cant seem to find it.

Checked the complete bmd's cant find Thomas Rogers or Rodgers in the Sept  q 1839  ???  Madley is in Herefordshire by the way.

Found the Atcham one though.
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Re: Birth & census help, which Thomas
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 20:21 BST (UK) »
I found both births by searching the books on Ancestry.

I will find it and post it here.

The census I were looking at I don't think are the right family now, because Thomas is 4 in 1841, he should be 1.

I found the census before I found the two birth options for Thomas Rogers.

It was HO107/904/1 Folio 13 Page 17
Someone found it for me in a census look up.

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Re: Birth & census help, which Thomas
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 20:41 BST (UK) »
Right I found it at last, I had to search again  ::)
I couldn't read mums writing, it should have been 1838 not 1839. Madley.

Madley and Atcham still have the same  number, 18.

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Re: Birth & census help, which Thomas
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 21:23 BST (UK) »
I was going to ask you if you were sure that you had the correct family in 1841 especially as you dont yet know the mothers christian name.

With a common surname that is often mispelt its very easy to get the wrong one unless you have  specific details of the family.

Ah its becoming clearer now, found the  1838 one its in MADELEY, not MADLEY

They are two different places MADLEY is in Herefordshire

MADELEY is in Staffordshire bordering Cheshire and Shropshire.

Sorry that was my mistake you did say 1838 in you first post.
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Re: Birth & census help, which Thomas
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 02 October 07 21:51 BST (UK) »
On Thomas's marriage cert what was his father Williams occupation and was he given as deceased , that might help to trace him on the 41

Sorry to keep asking all these questions but we need to know as much as possible to try and find the correct family.
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Re: Birth & census help, which Thomas
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 03 October 07 08:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Patrish
Ah Madley and Madely  :-[.

Right I have Thomas Rogers marriage certificate here.

8th November 1860
Thomas Rogers 21 years Bachelor Railway Labourer Castle T/F..gate. Father William Rogers DESCEASED, Labourer.

Thomas was able to sign his own name too.
He married Ann Williams 20 years Spinster Servant Father William Williams Labourer.

I have all the correct info and census for her and her family.

It's just Thomas Rogers I have to start again,as I was given the census info before I had his marriage cert.

Thank you for all your help.

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Re: Birth & census help, which Thomas
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 03 October 07 11:39 BST (UK) »
I am happy to try and help I like the challenge   :)

o.k. so Thomas was still in Atcham when he married in 1860 so that is the area to concentrate on Shropshire. Do you have anything to confirm that this is the correct marriage of your Thomas .  ???

Who are the witness at the marriage often they are siblings so we might gain a clue there in searching for him in 1841 .  ???

This is getting complicated.

We have the original famiy that was found for you in 1841.

William Rogers 34 Ag Lab
Rose 31
William 11
Mary 7
THOMAS 4
Richard  2

On the freebmd there are these births

THOMAS ROGERS b Sept q 1838 Madeley 18 - 14

RICHARD  ROGERS b JUne q 1839 ATCHAM 18 - 4

Which  I think  are the above family.

But there is also another THOMAS ROGERS  b March q 1839 ACTHAM  18 - 4

There is obviously at least 2 Rogers families in the same area, we have to find out which one is yours.  :-\





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Re: Birth & census help, which Thomas
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 03 October 07 11:46 BST (UK) »
Hello again Patrish,

I am glad you like a challenge  ;D thank you.

The witnesses were Edwin Spencer and Charlotte Lee.
These names mean nothing to me  :-\

Another reason I don't think I have the correct family on the census is that I still have William and Rose Rogers in 1871, yet William was deceased on Thomas marriage cert in 1860  ::)

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