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Belfast Clergy 1901 - advice needed
« on: Monday 01 October 07 13:20 BST (UK) »
re Bernard McKeever Halliday, born 1 Mar 1901 in 75 Canmore St Belfast.
Family history says of his mother -
"her parents went to US
she was born in US
family came back to Belfast
came to Glasgow
lived in Shankhill Road (Note - Canmore St intersects with Shankill Rd)
Mrs Murphy had priest in who delivered Bernard
the priest's name was Father McKeever"
 
I'm trying to trace Fr McKeever - to determine if his first name was Bernard - if it's not, then the name Bernard would send me firmly in another direction.

I contacted St Malachy's and The Catholic Communication Office in Belfast , there is a Fr McKeever who was in St Malachy's in  Belfast, but he was ordained in 1903.  I thought perhaps a trainee priest might be doing pastoral work, and be referred to as "Father"?  Or perhaps a trainee priest visiting relatives in the area?
CCO thought perhaps Fr McKeever might not have been Catholic, but another denomination.
I've searched  directories, even looked for Mrs Murphy in Canmore St, nothing!  Even wondered if Ballymurphy could have been mistaken for Mrs Murphy?

I need advice on how to proceed next.
Peter

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Re: Belfast Clergy 1901 - advice needed
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 04 October 07 16:01 BST (UK) »
I tried the McKeever bit first
From www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ccomplete1907.htm
Canmore Street
Shankill Road to Cupar Street
73 to 77. Vacant ie no Mrs Murphy or Halliday

Carnmoney Street
New Lodge Road to Artillery Street
4. McKeever, Wm., labourer
10. McKeever, James
 
in 1843
Grattan Street
38 Gordon Street
38. Law. McKeever, Shoe Maker.

In 1843
James' Street
East end of Gordon Street
58. James McKeever, Mariner.

More exists but I stopped at that
Then I looked at www.belfastfamilyhistory.com for 1901 census
Bernard McKeever 33 DUNMORE ST 
Bernard McKeever Year:  1901 Age:  25 Sex:  m Relgion:  roman catholic Marital Status:  married Occupation:  iron turner Birth Place:  Co Derry Education:  r+w
Bernard Mckeever 27 GROSVENOR PLACE 
Bernard Mckeever Year:  1901 Age:  53 Sex:  m Relgion:  roman catholic Marital Status:  married Occupation:  labourer Birth Place:  Co Antrim Education:  not r+w

Then I wondered why are we not looking at the birth certificate details for
1 Mar 1901 in 75 Canmore St Belfast
I tried www.emeraldancestors.com and found a Bernard Murphy b 1870 Co Antrim, I also tried for a Bernard Halliday and found none. I think 1901 is too late to try on www.familysearch.com. I tied for Bernard McKeever and got just marriages
1867 bernard  MCKEEVER 
 catherine   
  Antrim       
 
1867 bernard  MCKEEVER 
 sara   
  Antrim       
 
1873 bernard   
 jane  MCKEEVER 
  Antrim       
 
1895 bernard  MCKEEVER 
 catherine   
  Antrim       
 
1895 bernard   
 mary  MCKEEVER 
  Antrim       
 
1897 bernard  MCCAFFREY 
 jane   
  Antrim       
 
1898 bernard  MCIVER 
 margaret   
  Antrim       
 
1914 bernard   
 cassie  MCKEEVER 
  Antrim
 Wishing you luck onwards, Jim


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Re: Belfast Clergy 1901 - advice needed
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 04 October 07 16:10 BST (UK) »
Then I wondered why are we not looking at the birth certificate details for
1 Mar 1901 in 75 Canmore St Belfast
I tried www.emeraldancestors.com and found a Bernard Murphy b 1870 Co Antrim, I also tried for a Bernard Halliday and found none. 1905 Eileen Frances HALLIDAY F    Antrim.   Earlier Co Antrim Halliday births are listed up to 1875
I think 1901 is too late to try on www.familysearch.com
During these searches I noticed that the falls ward lies within the parish of Shankill, but that doesn’t matter with the birth you know about.
 Vaguely I remember the clergy are listed at the front of each street directory
Onwards, more luck, Jim
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Re: Belfast Clergy 1901 - advice needed
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 04 October 07 16:46 BST (UK) »
nearly finished!    Finally from www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ulster_covenant_CantonStreet.htm, I noticed two Halliday living opposite each other or did he just move across the road in Canton Street
28 (could be 26) Halliday, Stephen  signed the covenant in 1912.
34. Halliday, Stephen, labourer as in the 1910 Street Directory and could someone have transcribed Canmore street for Canton St and vice versa.  Canton St is south across the lagan in Beersbridge Road area.
This time its goodbye, and I understand how you feel. Lots of luck, Jim
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Re: Belfast Clergy 1901 - advice needed
« Reply #4 on: Friday 05 October 07 00:07 BST (UK) »
Hi Jim
you pulled out all the stops on this one - and I'm very grateful for your time and trouble. 
Not disappointed, like my grandparents, Fr McKeever WILL turn up sometime!
Again, thank you
Peter

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Re: Belfast Clergy 1901 - advice needed
« Reply #5 on: Friday 05 October 07 04:44 BST (UK) »
Hello Peter,

Could you clarify this bit please?

family came back to Belfast
came to Glasgow
lived in Shankhill Road


Were the family in Belfast, then Glasgow and back in Belfast?

I'm wondering if maybe Fr McKeever came from somewhere other than Belfast ... possibly Glasgow?

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Re: Belfast Clergy 1901 - advice needed
« Reply #6 on: Friday 05 October 07 17:03 BST (UK) »
Hi Christopher
Bernard McKeever Halliday was my uncle.   The information I posted appears to be verbal family history and is an extract from his grandson's gedcom.   The movements of the family up till my grandmother's marriage in Glasgow in 1894 are completely unknown. 
The gedcom is all we have up till then, and the order of their movements we can only guess at.
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Re: Belfast Clergy 1901 - advice needed
« Reply #7 on: Friday 05 October 07 18:58 BST (UK) »
Hi Peter,

I can't think of other denominations, other than the Catholic Church, which would have been in Belfast at the time of Bernard's birth who would have called their priests Father.

It might be an idea to contact the Roman Catholic Church in Scotland. Their records are held by the Scottish Catholic Archive and the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Glasgow Archive.

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Re: Belfast Clergy 1901 - advice needed
« Reply #8 on: Friday 05 October 07 20:53 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the advice Christopher - I'll do that, I'll leave it till Monday, do a bit of phoning around, let you know how I get on.
cheers
Peter