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Re: Deal Parish Lookup if possible please - updated with more information
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 17 January 08 11:05 GMT (UK) »
I agree with you Casalguidi there could be something in those details. LOL is there anyway of tracing more information to be sure. Obviously she had to have parents and possibly siblings and I was hoping that maybe one day would find one of them that links up with Sarah.

Would I be able to post that marriage cert I have on here (showing the ambiguous middle name)?

Gary

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« Reply #19 on: Friday 18 January 08 06:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi Gary

I also spotted a Sarah WOLFE dau of Charles "Buchnel" & Sarah baptised Faversham 1785 ..................... Faversham not being far from Selling where Arthur was supposedly born :-\

It would be fine to post any portion of a certificate but not the whole thing.

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« Reply #20 on: Friday 18 January 08 11:49 GMT (UK) »
Hello Casalguidi

OOOHHHH you have me very intrigued now, or is it LOL I am just trying to fit the details you have located into my family tree.  :)

I am sure there is some relevance to this middle name that was given on the daughter's marriage certificate, Charles & his wife were also witnesses to this marriage. Sadly there seems to be no-one alive who knows of the reason for these names. Looking at it and comparing it to the other letters on the marriage cert I am sure the name is Buckenor, but have copied it to see what others think.

Thanks Gary

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Re: Deal Parish Lookup if possible please - updated with more information
« Reply #21 on: Friday 18 January 08 14:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi Gary

I would read that middle name as BUCKMAN - there are BUCKMANs in Deal today (and GOODBANs come to that - my wife used to work with one of them - I think she lived in College Road!).

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1861 Lower Street (East Side), Deal

That throws a spanner in the works, Cas - the address where she was living in 1898 (photo below) was on the West side, on the corner of Cannon Street!

In 1841 they were apparently living further north on Lower Street, still on the West side, as they appear 12 houses on from Cannon Street.

Looking at the 1891 census, it would seem as though 101 was also on the west side (but not on the corner of Cannon Street) - the enumerator started from Rupert Cottages, heading south to Sandown Villa (East side), then Wellington Terrace, Jubilee Cotts, Clydesdale Cotts, then another 4 houses, before continuing from no. 99 High Street upwards.  These terraces, each comprising 6 cottages (with the exception of Rupert Cottages), can still be identified, although they no longer have their names displayed.  They were originally numbered individually (1-6 in each terrace); now they are numbered as part of College Road.

If he had continued on the East side, going south, he would have come to Alfred Square, but the next junction in the schedule is Cannon Street, indicating that he must have crossed over to the West side and gone north from the junction with Ark Lane.  After Cannon Street he continued going north.  This would have put no. 101 somewhere just north of Ark Lane.

This section of Lower Street, shown as High Street in 1891, is now College Road, after Deal College, a boys' school that was in Lower Street at the bottom of Alfred Square. 

The rest of Lower Street, from Alfred Square south, is still High Street.  It was originally called Lower Street because it is the lowest part of the town, being lower than Middle Street and Beach Street (it is actually below sea level - you have to go up-hill to the sea front).

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Caroline Elizabeth (who Casalguidi found through IGI for me, but can not trace her in 1841 census, so possibly she died, who is meant to have been baptised in Great Mongeham according to the IGI)

There were a number of GOODBAN baptisms in Gt Mongeham, but only the one belonging to this family - the others were all from the same parents and spanned a period of (I think) over 20 years!

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Charles (who according to someone with some Deal parish extracts was baptised at St Leonards 21 Feb 1841)

I didn't find this one - I will have to have another look.

I won't give up on this family - it has got me intrigued!!

Bill
Banks, Beer, Bowes, Castle, Cloak, Coachworth, Dixon, Farr, Golder, Graves, Hicks, Hogbin, Holmans, Marsh, Mummery, Nutting, Pierce, Rouse, Sawyer, Sharp, Snell, Willis: mostly in East Kent.
Ey, Sawyer: London
Evans: Ystradgynlais, Wales
Snell: Snettisham, Norfolk
Knight, Burgess, Ellis: Hampshire
Purdy: Ireland/Canada/Durham/Pennsylvania
McCann: Ireland
Morrow: Pennsylvania
Sparnon: any
Beers, Heath, Conyers, Miller, Russell, Larson, Clark, Sibert, Hopper, Reinhart: USA


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Re: Deal Parish Lookup if possible please - updated with more information
« Reply #22 on: Friday 18 January 08 17:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi Bill

LOL I wonder if any of those are related to one of Charles brother's. I am now completely bewildered by the roads, glad that someone understands them all.

Very puzzling about Catherine, wonder where the IGI got their details from then. LOL took me months to find out about my ggg grandfather Charles and I thought from there on it would be simple, but guess this family has a lot of mysteries!!

Thank you so much for your help & Casalguidi. Good to have you on board as they are completely stumping me! Sorry I can't be of more help.

Regards Gary

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Re: Deal Parish Lookup if possible please - updated with more information
« Reply #23 on: Friday 18 January 08 17:58 GMT (UK) »
Hmm, yes!

The IGI certainly has that baptism at Mongeham in 1832 - I don't know how I  missed it.  It gives a film reference for the source, so it is extracted, not submitted - I will have to take another look.
 :-[

Bill
Banks, Beer, Bowes, Castle, Cloak, Coachworth, Dixon, Farr, Golder, Graves, Hicks, Hogbin, Holmans, Marsh, Mummery, Nutting, Pierce, Rouse, Sawyer, Sharp, Snell, Willis: mostly in East Kent.
Ey, Sawyer: London
Evans: Ystradgynlais, Wales
Snell: Snettisham, Norfolk
Knight, Burgess, Ellis: Hampshire
Purdy: Ireland/Canada/Durham/Pennsylvania
McCann: Ireland
Morrow: Pennsylvania
Sparnon: any
Beers, Heath, Conyers, Miller, Russell, Larson, Clark, Sibert, Hopper, Reinhart: USA

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Re: Deal Parish Lookup if possible please - updated with more information
« Reply #24 on: Friday 18 January 08 18:09 GMT (UK) »
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I am now completely bewildered by the roads, glad that someone understands them all.
If you are ever in Deal I will be happy to show you around - that area hasn't changed too much since they were living there.

Bill
Banks, Beer, Bowes, Castle, Cloak, Coachworth, Dixon, Farr, Golder, Graves, Hicks, Hogbin, Holmans, Marsh, Mummery, Nutting, Pierce, Rouse, Sawyer, Sharp, Snell, Willis: mostly in East Kent.
Ey, Sawyer: London
Evans: Ystradgynlais, Wales
Snell: Snettisham, Norfolk
Knight, Burgess, Ellis: Hampshire
Purdy: Ireland/Canada/Durham/Pennsylvania
McCann: Ireland
Morrow: Pennsylvania
Sparnon: any
Beers, Heath, Conyers, Miller, Russell, Larson, Clark, Sibert, Hopper, Reinhart: USA

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« Reply #25 on: Saturday 19 January 08 16:41 GMT (UK) »
Frances Maria remained an old maid and was "returned unopened" in January 1922, aged 75.  She died at 46 College Road and was buried in Deal Cemetery (Hamilton Road) on 23rd January.

Benjamin Wolff died at 84 College Road aged 73 and was buried on 7th January 1941.

Stephen Arthur died in College Road (no number given in register) aged 60 and was buried on 1st October 1894.

There were 12 GOODBAN burials in this cemetery from 1877 to 1947 - the first of these being Emily Ann, aged 52, from 101 Lower Street, on 10th October 1877.

Bill
Banks, Beer, Bowes, Castle, Cloak, Coachworth, Dixon, Farr, Golder, Graves, Hicks, Hogbin, Holmans, Marsh, Mummery, Nutting, Pierce, Rouse, Sawyer, Sharp, Snell, Willis: mostly in East Kent.
Ey, Sawyer: London
Evans: Ystradgynlais, Wales
Snell: Snettisham, Norfolk
Knight, Burgess, Ellis: Hampshire
Purdy: Ireland/Canada/Durham/Pennsylvania
McCann: Ireland
Morrow: Pennsylvania
Sparnon: any
Beers, Heath, Conyers, Miller, Russell, Larson, Clark, Sibert, Hopper, Reinhart: USA

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Re: Deal Parish Lookup if possible please - updated with more information
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 19 January 08 17:55 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for offer Bill, we are thinking of maybe making a trip down this year sometime, so if we do plan a visit will let you know!

Sorry but Frances Maria, what does it mean by "returned unopened"? Have never heard of that before. Curious she never married, still at least now I know what happened to her thanks to you.

Interesting about Emily Ann, wonder if she connects to this family somehow, will check her out on census's.

A very very long shot and I know that this side of the family were very poor, but would there be any gravestones for these people would you know? I know the likely hood is probably one in a zillion, as I have tried tracing gravestones of Charles children and most of them were buried in common graves with no headstones.

LOL but then being poor seems to be one of the bad sides I have inherited  ;D.

Thanks again for your help and information, my cousin is going to love all these extra details and photos.

Regards Gary