Religious/Political Organisations

[Half Pint]

Hi


My 3x gr grandfather was born c1833 in either Ireland/England (not sure which yet) and died in Cumberland in 1880.  An elderly relative thinks he was an Orangeman as she thinks she remembers seeing his sash.

I have never had any political/religious leanings so please bear with me whilst I ask the following questions.

If he was an Orangeman, I believe he would belong to a "Lodge", if so how old would he be when he became/joined?

If he moved to another part of a country/ or overseas would he join the "local Lodge"?

Would the Lodge be emblazoned on his sash?

Are there records that could be researched?

Thank you for your time.

Regards

Half Pint

[leprechaun]

 Hi, The orange order-Lodge as it's more commonly known is a Protestant Fraternal Organisation.It was founded in Loughgall Co, Armagh In Ireland in 1795.
 most Lodges carry flags,Union Jack,The Flag of Ulster,The flag of Scotland and the Orange order Flag.also a banner which will include the name of the Lodge.and it usually depicts William of Orange.
   As to how old he would have been,would depend if the whole family were Orange people,children do walk with them.Other wise he would have joined as a young man.If he was a staunch orange man he would most likely have stayed in the Lodge when he went to England.
                               Hope this help's Lep 
                       

[Christopher]

Hello Half Pint and Lep,

Junior lodges didn't start until sometime in the late 1800s. The Junior Orange Association was formed after the Great War and the Association's first organised parade took place in 1919.

A great many of the banners of Orange Lodges don't  contain images of William of Orange. There are a huge range of images that are used ... most relate to various periods in Ulster's history ...

Images on the banners may include the Battle of the Somme, Church buildings, a Crown on a Bible and founder Lodge members or deceased Lodge members.

Christopher

[leprechaun]

 Hi Christopher,
    It's an interesting debate. Orange Lodge for boys were in existence in Belfast in the latter part of the 19th Century,but it's difficult about the date due to the fact that in the early years,accurate records were not kept.
        I have seen an image of a young boy,holding a sort of banner with the image of William of Orange on it.
                                     Lep

[Christopher]

Hi Lep,

I've seen everything now

This link contains a photo of soldiers preparing for a 12th of July parade in the Far East in 1944. www.grandorangelodge.co.uk/history/Orangeism_Military.html

Christopher

[leprechaun]

 Well Christopher,Last the last thing I expected to see. And I too have now seen it all.
       Where did they find the time.
                            Lep.
     

[Christopher]

Well Christopher,Last the last thing I expected to see. And I too have now seen it all.
       Where did they find the time.
                            Lep.
     

Hi Lep,

I wonder where they were based.

Were the troops in the Far East not held by the Japanese as POWs?

Christopher

[leprechaun]

Hi Christopher,There was a Lodge formed in the Far East in 1916.
              There are Orange jurisdictions in Ghana and Togo in West Africa as well as Ireland,England, Scotland,Cananda,U.S.A. New Zealand,and Australia.Membership is in excess of 300,000.
    As far as I can make out it all appeared to stem from the Battle of Diamond in 1795.
    Christopher there is a very good site that can answer it seems all aspects of war.Don't know if you have been on it,the site is well run and sensible.I have been on it as a guest.Just google. great war forum. Interesting.
                                       Lep.

[spof]

I wonder where they were based.

Were the troops in the Far East not held by the Japanese as POWs?

Christopher

Christopher

The Burma campaign carried on after the fall of Singapore and Malaya etc and (I'm guessing here) the main rear area would have been India.

Glen