Hi Sue Thanks a lot for your help I seem to have 2 John Bridgewaters b1839 Drayton, the ones already mentioned but then another one born to Parents John b 1808 Rowley Regis and Hannah babout 1812, the strange thing I noticed about this family is that they had 8 chilren, Sarah b1838 Dudley, Thomas b1844 Dudley, Maryb1847 Dudley, Simeon b1849, Esaw b1852, Mira b1855 and Jane b1857 all Rowley Regis, John appears to be the only one born in Drayton is there any way i can check that I have all these people in the right family? Thanks Jenny