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« Reply #9 on: Sunday 23 September 07 18:54 BST (UK) »




Well it was sensational when it came out ........... ! and who knows for sure DM !!  ::) ::)

" Only the shadow knows " !!!!!!!!  ;) ;)
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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 23 September 07 20:34 BST (UK) »



Call me odd ... or bloodthirsty ... but I love these sites !!  :) :) AND I did find the Julia Wallace murder I was looking for !!

http://www.geocities.com/stevenhortonuk/liverpoolmurders.html

http://www.richard.clark32.btinternet.co.uk/contents.html

Enjoy !

Annie  :)



I don't think you're odd or bloodthirsty Annie - or if you are, then I am too because I too find these old murders endlessly fascinating. The Wallace Case is arguably the greatest unsolved murder of all. Another  is the Victorian murder of Charles Bravo at The Prory, Balham in south London. Any one of half a dozen people could have dunnit!
The Jack the Ripper casebook website is terrific because not only is it the the creme de la creme of Ripper sites (and having gone to school in the East End I am very interested in JTR too) it also has details and information on any number of other true murders - the older ones of course.
One of my favourite family stories is the one my grandmother told me about how she and the rest of the family were in a pub in the Borough in South London (I think it was the Crown Tavern, Union Street, but don't quote me) celebrating the marriage of my grandmother's sister when the police came and arrested the landlord for murder. His name was George Chapman aka Severin Klosowski and he made a bit of a habit of 'marrying' his gullible barmaids and then poisoning them for their money. He was hanged of course but the interesting thing is that, for a very short time, was a candidate for Jack the Ripper!
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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 23 September 07 21:24 BST (UK) »


oooh errr Pat ! .... I was a barmaid in the Borough ( the Ship !! ) many moons ago ....

not at that time I hasten to add ........... !!  ::) ::) but you were so close ( genealogically speaking !! )

I get stuck into all these wonderful sites and can't get anything done !!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Annie  :)

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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 23 September 07 21:38 BST (UK) »


oooh errr Pat ! .... I was a barmaid in the Borough ( the Ship !! ) many moons ago ....

not at that time I hasten to add ........... !!  ::) ::) but you were so close ( genealogically speaking !! )

I get stuck into all these wonderful sites and can't get anything done !!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Annie  :)



I know what you mean, dreadful innit?  My Nan's family, the Bromfields were, from what I've been able to discover, brushmakers in the Borough for generations and I've spent endless hours researching brushmaking when I should really have been doing something constructive - like the ironing!  ::)
The really weird thing about my Nan's story about George Chapman was that when she was telling me she couldn't remember the bloke's name but she remembered that one of the barmaids was called Maud Marsh. I was only 18 when she told me this story and knew nuffin' about nuffin' so I asked an old chap I worked with who had an interest in true life murders (it was he who whetted my appetite for the subject) and he gave me pages of info about the case. Lord knows where he got it because there was no Internet in those days. :o If memory serves the arrest took place in 1902. I remember being amazed because my Nan told me what all the ladies were wearing at her sister's wedding - and this was over 60 years later.  ;)
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Burford, Oxfordshire: NUNNEY;

Ireland, FITZSIMMONS; FITZSIMONS


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« Reply #13 on: Sunday 23 September 07 21:49 BST (UK) »


Wouldn't you know it ? .... I HAD to look up Maud !!  ::)
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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 23 September 07 21:51 BST (UK) »
Find anything?   :P
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« Reply #15 on: Sunday 23 September 07 21:59 BST (UK) »


YES !!!!! .... can't talk now I'm readin' !!!  ;D
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« Reply #16 on: Monday 24 September 07 00:00 BST (UK) »
I'm a fan too.  And have ancestors (grandmother's cousin and his wife) who were the last victims of the California murderess Louise Peete, who was executed in 1947.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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« Reply #17 on: Monday 24 September 07 00:06 BST (UK) »

Hi Erato !

She lived in Denver ...... !!

must have been some kind of woman ...... doesn't look it though does she ??  ::)

Let me know if you know whereabouts in Denver she lived !!

Annie  :)
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