Newbury Inns, Pubs & Beerhouses

[SouthendSue]

Coach Bookee is a term I haven't come across before - Salter is landlord from the 1790s to the 1820s (thought it could have been two John Salters in succession).  Can you tell me where the marriage licence can be found, I collect all references to Newbury pubs and landlords that I can find.

The licence can be found on Sarum Marriage Licence Bonds from The Wiltshire FHS but also available on Find My Past. Details are Groom -James Butcher of Thatcham. Bride - Martha Green of Thatcham, 28 Dec 1811. John Salter is described as publican Newbury and I found the info re The Catherine Wheel from the 1815 Newbury census. (Just noticed that I put the wrong name for my ancestor in my previous posts, it's definitely James! Too many James and John Butchers in my tree....)

If the inn wasn't a coaching stop the relationship between James Butcher and John Salter was probably more personal than business. Friends or relatives I wonder!

Thanks for your help.

Sue

[newburychap]

The licence can be found on Sarum Marriage Licence Bonds from The Wiltshire FHS but also available on Find My Past. Details are Groom -James Butcher of Thatcham. Bride - Martha Green of Thatcham, 28 Dec 1811.

Thanks - I couldn't find John Butcher but I can now see James.

If the inn wasn't a coaching stop the relationship between James Butcher and John Salter was probably more personal than business. Friends or relatives I wonder!

I doubt that a publican would stand bond for an occasional customer - remember it is his money that is at risk! The relationship is more likely to be personal.

On the other topic - the Old London Apprentice was built in 1935/6. 

But I suspect you mean the London Apprentice (only very occasionally prefixed with Old before it was closed) which stood at the junction of Newtown Road and Old Newtown Road.  I'm afraid I cannot say when it was built - the earliest reference I have is from 1756.  The name must be post-1643 (when the London Apprentices performed their heroics at the 1st Battle of Newbury), but 1643-1756 is probably not that much use to you as a build date! It was owned by Newbury Corporation from before 1756 until 1898 when they sold it to the Newbury Brewery Co. It closed in 1935 and its licence was transferred to the new Old London Apprentice in Hambridge Road. 

I may learn more when I have time to go through the Corporation minute books more thoroughly than I have to date.

[janjim]

Newbury chap,
Thanks for this information, my Father used to refer to the Inn as the Old London Apprentice, in fact 1911 census information definitely shows my grandparents and family address as the "Old London Apprentice"

jan

[newburychap]

Newbury chap,
Thanks for this information, my Father used to refer to the Inn as the Old London Apprentice, in fact 1911 census information definitely shows my grandparents and family address as the "Old London Apprentice"

The 'Old' prefix happens from time to time, for instance in my database of directory and census entries I have it used 15 times - and 73 entries without. Often two entries from the same year will have one with the old and one without. Whereas the new pub is always the Old London Apprentice. 

I haven't yet found a deed or other document generated by the owners (Newbury Corporation or Newbury Brewery Co) where the 'old' is used.

 

[newburychap]

If anyone is interested I'm giving a talk on the history of pubs in Newbury tomorrow night (see www.ndfc.org.uk for details) - all welcome.

[janjim]

Would love to be there, bit too far to travel !!  Any feedback would be wonderful

jan

[janjim]

Hi Newbury Chap,
You mention way back in your postings, about a postcard showing the Old London Apprentice in context with the St. Johns Church.   Wondering if you managed to get a copy of this at all?

Have recently found more information in regard to our New family, of a Jane Wootton marrying Robert Reeves Randall in 1845 at Speen.    Daniel Challis seems to be involved with the New
family, as his name is mentioned even in 1845.

Interesting, as the Challis family were licensees of the Inn.

You mention previously as well the one of Daniel Challis's descendants works in the Museum,
wondering if they have much family history to share, that is if you know of it.

jan

[newburychap]

Hi Jan,

Picked up the postcard on ebay - there are others, notably an uncoloured version, I'm not convinced the colorist ever saw the real scene!

My Challis contact no longer works at the museum (which is closed for the next few years).  I saw her a month or so back, for the first time in over a year.  I will see if I can find an email address for her (I suspect my wife will have it) and point her at this thread so she can get in touch if she's so inclined.  I think she's descended from Joseph Challis, resident at the Hand & Heart in 1861.  Probably fits in with a Daniel or two somewhere.

[janjim]

Hi Newbury Chap,
Thanks so much for this copy of the postcard, thinking that maybe this photo would have been
taken around the time my grandparents ran this Inn, maybe a little later, but it's great.  I've got a real appreciation of where the Inn would have been sited,especially after having visited this area recently.

Interesting the Museum is now closed, they were packing up to move when I was there, didn't realize it meant closure.

jan