Parents & death of John Slater b.Hartfield

[liza99]

Hello helpers

Having trouble finding my ggrandfather John Slater & his father Samuel on early censuses & IGI, also death of John Slater.

Known info:-

Marriage cert - John  Slater m. Elizabeth Trohear 13/9/68 St Helier Jersey.
John Slater listed as age 29, gunner R.A, b.Hartfield Sussex.
Father Samuel Slater, blacksmith.

Birth cert of my grandmother Elizabeth Mary - St Helier Jersey 14/7/1869.
John Slater, occupation blacksmith.

Elizabeth his wife remarried in Ulverston Lancs in mid 1872, so he must have died in the intervening years. I have already asked for a Jersey death lookup and they did not find the death.

1871 England census has Elizabeth & daughter visiting Elizabeth's sister in Yorkshire where she is listed as 'farrier's wife', not widow, so it looks like John was still alive then. He is not on Jersey census for 1871.

I've tried to find John and his father Samuel on earlier censuses b. Hartfield Sussex without success.

Any help much appreciated.
Liza

[Eyesee]

From the Sussex Marriage Index
Withyham, East Sussex, 6 Sep 1835
Samuel SLATER
Sophia BALDWIN, botp

A possibility for the parents as Withyham parish is next to Hartfield parish.

Ian C
 

[liza99]

Hi Ian

Thanks for this. I'll try again on the censuses.

Regards, Liza

[zal]

hi samuel slater married sophia baldwin 6 sep 1835  st micheals church withyham  can be found in withyham parish records  samuel was the son of samuel slater and sarah deeren  sameul was born 1806 rotherfield and christen 23 march 1806  rotherfield parish records  daughter rhoda born 1836 rotherfield  daughter  belinda 1836 sussex 1841 census  son born 1838 sussex 1941 census son william born 1840 sussex 1841 census  all isfield  daughter noiomi born isfield 1851 census son elisha isfield 1845 son malachi isfield 1851  daughter ruth 1848 buxted 1851  24 june 1850 son benjamin rotherfield parish records daughter sarah 1852 rotherfield  rotherfield parish records   samuel slater and sarah deeren married 6 april 1804 st dusten parish church mayfield sussex  hope this helps zal

[Stovepipe]

In the 1841 census for Hartfield village I found only these families named Slater:

HO107/1115/6/6 page 4 - Hartfield Village
John Slater, 55, Watchmaker
Sarah Slater, 50
Thomas Slater, 13
Jane Slater, 20
All born in county

HO107/1115/6/7 page 5 - Hartfield Village
John Slater, 80, Tailor
Jane Slater, 65
both born in county

HO107/1115/6/10 page 12 - Church Street
Fortunatus Slater, 75, Parish Clerk
Ann Slater, 85
both born in county

Could one set be John's grandparents?  He may have been born at their home.

Also, the village smith is named John Winnifrith, 45, if it's any help.

Stovepipe

[liza99]

Hi Zal and Stovepipe

Many thanks for your replies.

Zal's Samuel Slater family might be the right one - if the 'son' born 1838 is John Slater.

I am still having trouble finding the family on censuses. Found the 1851 census with Samuel and Sophia and 6 children. It seems rather odd that none of the earlier children are on it, and Samuel is an agricultural labourer rather than a blacksmith...

I tried to find any of them on 1861 following but without success , and it's driving me crazy that I can't find the record you found on 1841, Zal! I'm using Ancestry to look things up. Where did you find it?

Stovepipe's Hartfield Slaters may be other relatives and I'll keep them in mind.

I have also found another Samuel Slater on 1861 census age 68, agricultural labourer living with daughter Ann 36 and son Samuel 17, CP Hartfield, all born Hartfield. This Samuel appears again on 1871 & 1881 censuses living with another son Isaac 44 and his wife Emily & niece Harriett. None of the children are the same as Zal's 1841/1851 Samuel's though.

Hope someone can help with clarification.

Regards,
Liza

[zal]

hi  i got the info from the weald of keny surrey and sussex great site found alot of my ancestor    i just typed  in the search engine  and found it  chris

[sillgen]

Have a look under Stalter in 1841.  I found it by searching for William with keyword Isfield.
The family are Samuel Slatter 30 ag lab
Sophia 25
Rhoda 5 Hard to read and could be taken as Belinda by mistake
Samuel 3
William 1
plus Samuel 20 ag lab   all born in county
Remember ages above 15 were rounded down in 1841.
No John, unless it was his second name.
This may be a red herring.
Andrea

[sillgen]

1851 HO107 1641 F85 p8 is worth a look.  John Slater (Stater)age 12 with Fortunatus.  It says son but the age difference might mean he is a grandchild I suppose?  Both ag labs.
Have you tried to trace the Army records?  They might have more clues.
Andrea