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Re: McElwains
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 20 March 12 19:18 GMT (UK) »
 Sorry service in India 1858 to 1871, not 1881 mistyped

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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 20 March 12 19:23 GMT (UK) »

Sorry again Mark,

I  see I have repeated myself

I really should have looked back to see what I have said on this Forum before

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Re: McElwains
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 21 March 12 12:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mac
Thanks for the reply.

I have some discharge papers for a William McDonald which seem to be his...109th regiment in India between 1858 and 1870, Tailor etc... I also have the baptisms for three of the children born in India, including my g.g.grandfather Alfred William McElwain.

Alfred married Sarah Mash and their daughter Ellen May (Nellie May) was my g.grandmother who married Herbert Dennington.

She has a daughter who is still alive and I am in touch with, so I am going to see if she has any recollections of Alfred Jnr or any family records !

I also want to go to Kew and the British Library to see what further military records on Alfred Snr/William McDonald but wanted to check what you had already.

I was aware of the John McElwain-Martha Aungier marriage in St Peters Liverpool and the baptism in Manchester but like you have found no trace of Alfred, John or Martha in the 1851 census.



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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 21 March 12 14:10 GMT (UK) »
The John and Martha wedding seems a probable link

In Scottish and Celtic the first son usually had the fathers name, the first son was born of the first marriage of Alfred/William named William Alexander. The second Daughter was named after the Grandmother, Martha,
Alfred,s first daughter was named Georgina, I haven't been able to check what Martha's mother's name was but it would tie in if it was that, also the name William came up with my Grandfather and my Father Alfred Willam.
 Having married in Liverpool, it seems likely that John came over from Northen Ireland But William/alfred says he was born in Edinburgh in the 1871 census but Liverpool in the 1881

I was an honorary member of the Scottish Tartans Association and the McElwains were a Sept (family under the protection of) of the Clan McBain/Bean who were also members of the Clan Chatton and the fought the English at Culloden one of whom slew 16 English before they killed him, there is a memorial to him on the battlefield, the clan lost all of their lands which were around Dorres on the east bank of Loch Ness.
The McElwains went south and many of them finished up along the Ayrshire coast in the 1600's

They disappeared from there in the 1700's and turned up in N.I.

If you google McBain Clan you will see the McElwains are listed as members of the Clan

The Clan Chief lives in Houston Texas

I went to the Inda office at British Library and found Alfred alias McDonald and Three of their children in the Regimental Chaplains files, I ran out of time before I found Joseph and my Grandfather William

I have written everything down in my Family History Book, I also have the History of the 109th Regiment for the time Alfred was in India

I live in Malton, North Yorkshire, if you are anywhere close any time get in touch on here and we can meet

Do you have the "Mash photos" ??






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Re: McElwains
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 21 March 12 14:18 GMT (UK) »
 Getting back to the census records

It may be because there was so much bad spelling  they may be there as someone else

1891 it was Meelwain, another year one of the Macs was Mcwhan another was Mack and Joseph and Sarah became McIlwaine with totally different christian names

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Re: McElwains
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 21 March 12 15:55 GMT (UK) »
I think we are looking for the needle in haystack with the census although there is also the possibility that they went back to Ireland or got missed from the census altogether.

The discharge papers I have for William McDonald of the 109th state he was born in St James Parish in Edinburgh but this could be him maintaining his army persona.



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