Kelleher/Buckley family, South Coast area

[cocksie]

Ozeannie
To cut a long story short, I am about to wade into an ancestor search for a friend of mine and I think there is a connection (tenuous) with the Kellehers you mention.  I have only just done preliminary searches (and only have about 10 minutes to type this) but this is what I have found so far:
A Dennis kelleher sponsored his widowed sister's immigration and her son (Mary duggan, nee kelleher, and son, John Duggan) to Sydney in 1880. Dennis, himself, arrived in 1880 - sponsored by a Buckley. Dennis was 22 and came with a Johanna Kelleher, age 24 (Hannah?).  All these people list their native place as Cork. Dennis died in 1889 and his father is listed as Murtie.
 
I have found the marriage of Mary Kelleher and Daniel Duggan (son s death lists father as "Donall" so extrapolated plus found rather large obit in newspaper) in Banteer, Cork in 1854. No parents listed but one of the witnesses was a Murtagh Keleher (Murtie?). Then the William Keleher's death lists father as Morto (from memory as it stuck out like a sore thumb). 

So I think Dennis, William & Mary keleher were all siblings with father, Murtagh - living somewhere in banteer area, co. cork (possibly an area known as Blackrock .... Which is likely to relate to the river)

When I find more/substantiate more/find some time, I will post.  I don't know about the buckleys except there does appear to be many Buckley/kelleher connections in banteer area.
Cocksie

[ozeannie]

Hi Cocksie,

You are right on the money! As you can see, it's a while since I last posted here. I am currently working more on my mother's paternal side and this line is my mum's maternal side. However I have done some more research since the last post, and I had found indeed IGI records that suggest that William and Denis Kelleher are brothers, and sons of Murtagh Kelleher and Johannah Keiler/Keiley, depending upon which record you look at (don't you just love the spelling variations) .

I have Murtagh born abt 1822 in Cork, Ireland and Johannah abt 1826 in Cork Ireland, with possible death of Johannah in Poss 1885, Sydney. Marriage abt 1847 in Cork Ireland.

The problem is with the dates of birth for William and Denis. There seems to be a big disparity with conflicting records in IGI. I have William's DOB anywhere between 1836 and 1848 and Denis between 1838 and 1841. Given that the parents married in 1847 makes matters even more confusing, though I have plenty of birth records that come before marriages. Worse still, looking at the date of marriage of William in 1863, he would have difficulty being born as late as 1848 as this would make him only 15 for marriage

Given the prevalence of the names of Kelleher, Buckley and so on in Cork, it's even hard to know for sure if the IGI records are for the people we are discussing here or others.

There is a death record for William Kelleher 1911, Bowral. Parents as Mortimer & Johanna which I am sure would be him, and one for Denis 11 July 1889, Kiama with father Murtie. I think his legal name was Murtagh and he probably went by Murtie as a nickname. Both William and Denis were twice married but I won't go into further detail here as I am just getting the bare bones off my tree, as I haven't looked into the detail of the records for a while. It's interesting you have found the sister, Mary. That might aid in connecting the family further.

However, my original question still remains: I wonder whether these Kellehers are related to Mary Kelleher who married John Buckley, the nephew of William and Denis?

[cocksie]

Ozeannie
Hoping you can point me in the right direction ....
I can see William kelleher marrying a Buckley girl
But I cannot find Dennis marrying a Buckley girl in NSW BMD! Can you point out the marriage?

Children's birth rego info indicates mother is a Margaret Julia (possibly known as Julia?). Was she married prior to Dennis kelleher marriage?
Help
Thank you
Cocksie

[ozeannie]

Hi,

Yes you're right - there is no record of Denis/Dennis marrying a Buckley girl in the NSW register. The only Dennis Kelleher I found was marrying a Margaret Magrath in Sydney in 1848. That is way too early for Dennis based on his reputed age. (born 1838-1841). I only have this information from a Buckley family history that was put together years ago for a Buckley family reunion. I'm pretty sure that "Julia" was in fact Margaret Julia, but not to be confused with her sister who was actually called Margaret, and who remained a spinster. I can only assume that maybe they got married in Ireland before coming out or on the boat on the way. Following Julia's death in 1874 in Kiama, Denis married Elizabeth Cronan nee Owens in Kiama in 1876, though her name appears on the register as Onel. Unforutnately a lot of typos on the register, especially with the Kelleher name which appears in at least about 6 different spellings.
I don't think Julia was previously married but I can see your line of thinking. I couldn't find any marriages for a Julia Buckley pre 1867 at all and although there were a few for a Margaret Buckley, none of those surnames married a Dennis Kelleher either.
I think this is one of those cases where we have to take family oral history as the only source.
Hope this helps.

[cocksie]

Thanks for responding so quickly.  So I'm not mad, the Dennis kelleher and (Margaret) Julia Buckley marriage has not yet been found. 
Working on the theory of mistranscription and, perhaps, (Margaret) Julia had previously been married, I did find this possible marriage

67/1867    LENEHAN    DENNIS    DICKSON    MARGARET    SYDNEY   

It's a long shot, I know, but I reckon Kelleher badly written could be mistranscribed as Lenehan. No doubt you have previously looked into this.

Anyway, am chasing all this up for a friend who has just contacted me with a recent "find" of old documents so this might provide some illumination.

Cocksie

[ozeannie]

I checked the register for the birth or death of any children of a Dennis/Denis and Margaret Lenehan but there were none. I also could not find the death of a Dennis/Denis Lenehan so it is a mis-transcription possibility - however there is no record of a marriage of a Margaret or for that matter any Buckley bride to a Dickson, so it would seem that Dennis Lenehan's bride was not (Margaret) Julia Buckley....

I still don't have my head completely around this at the moment because I am still working on another section of my tree, but rest assured I will pick your brain also a lot more once I do get onto it!   The old documents sound interesting.... Anne

[cocksie]

I pretty much can definitively say that William and Dennis did have a sister, Mary kelleher who married a Daniel duggan back in county cork and who immigrated in 1880 with one son as a widow. She then got married to a James Mann/Manns not long after arriving.
Dennis, William and Mary's death info lists father as Mortie/Murtie and variations of this, mother as either unknown or johanna.
I think William arrived in 1859 on the palmyra.
Dennis arrives next, deposit paid by brother, William
Dennis then pays immigration deposit for his widowed sister and her son.
All end up in shell harbour area, kiama area for different periods of time.
William dies 1911 and death obit in paper lists his living sister, mrs j manns.

I've got dates and documents on these three Kellehers.

So the Mary kelleher who marries John Buckley is not sister of Dennis and William.

I have a loose thread which is the immigration of a johanna kelleher, age 26 when immigration deposit paid by a Timothy Buckley.  It appears that she was going to be travelling on the same vessel (possibly with) Dennis.  But I can't find her onboard.  Immigration deposit books indicate she is either sister of, or married to Dennis. Ie listed directly above Dennis, same abode and same priest as reference.  It's odd

Cocksie

[ozeannie]

Hi Cocksie,

You are really getting into this! You seem to have found out more than me so far, but as I may have mentioned previously, I am yet to get stuck right into this branch of my family. I am just finishing off the 5th of my 8 great-grandparent lines, and this will be No 7, so I will be much more up-to-scratch with it all once I take it on properly.

For now I can tell you that Johanna Kelleher would not have been the wife of Denis as he was listed as a single, unmarried male on the shipping list and not a widower or married. At age 26 I would think she would have been a sister, named after the mother.

As you know, William and Denis Kelleher married sisters Hannah and Julia Buckley. They had a brother Timothy and this was also their father's name. So quite possibly Johanna was being sponsored out by the Buckley family. I obviously don't know what happened to her either, perhaps she died before the ship set sail.

I agree that William was most likely on the Palmyra and Denis on the Persia. I have those shipping records also. The problem is with the dates on the IGI not making any sense. According to shipping, William would have been born circa 1831 and Denis circa 1840-41. However this does not agree with the IGI records that I found previously for their birth/baptism and that of the parents Murtagh and Johanna.

Having said that, I have just been on FamilySearch.com to find those records and can't seem to find them now. Maybe they were removed because it had the parents as born circa 1822-1826 which would make William's birth in 1831 rather difficult.

Please stay in touch, be assured I will follow up more thoroughly once I am "doing" this tree.

Cheers
Anne
 

[cocksie]

Just to tie up the mystery Johanna Kelleher, 26 - immigration deposit paid by a Buckley .....
Later deposit refund books in 1863 list that the deposit was refunded for a Johanna Kelleher as "is married and has immigrated with her husband to America"

So that ties that one up.
No doubt, will be in touch in the future
cocksie