Can anyone explain this

[heywood]

Yes I saw that marriage and them in Runcorn. To be honest it is quite difficult with the spellings.
I am wondering if Elizabeth Reddington was married to Patrick Gahagan/ Gargan etc before they came to England.
There is a Bridget Reddington/ Patrick Callaghan marriage in Stockport but at the moment ... I haven't checked them on censuses. (yet) 

[mahees]

Bridget and Patrick Callaghan are my 3x Great Grandparents, and I have them in every census up until 1901. They move to Leeds between 1861 and 1871. I challenge you to find them in 1861 though, it took me nearly a year!
I have noticed a Sarah Hawkins on IGI with mother Mary Reddington in the same batch as mentioned above, but I don't have time to search for them tonight as I'm off out 
I'll pick up where I left off tomorrow.
Look forward to hearing if you find anything else,
Regards
Erin 

[heywood]

Going out  -- Family to search for    can't believe it 

Found them in 1861- easy  So do you have them in 1851 or I wonder did they arrive after that? Are John, Elizabeth and your Bridget brother and sisters?

[heywood]

You can find Sarah Hawkins with parents George and Mary on 1861. George and Mary are on 1851 with a son, born 1846 in Ireland so they must have arrived between 1846-1851.
Mary moves to Liverpool at some time and then I lost them.

Perhaps we've exhausted them for a while 

Best wishes
heywood

[mahees]

I can't believe you found them so quickly!
I suppose it shows what a difference experience makes; it was in the days before I did first-name-only searches. It probably would have been helpful in finding them as Cullaughan. It never came up on soundex.

I think John, Elizabeth and Bridget are siblings, yes. Their father in John, I've got him on the 1851 census living with son John. I know it's him because Patrick and Bridget's marriage certificate says Brown Street as address for Bridget, though strangely, she's not there. I've found a possible for her in Leeds as a boarder with some other Reddingtons, but it's difficult to verify...

I think you're right about the Hawkins, it's difficult to say for certain she's a sibling anyway.

Regards
Erin 

[heywood]

You know I'd looked at 1851 census and mustn't have clicked with John senior.

I'm just 'talking out loud' now to go over what you have re the older Reddingtons.

1843 Luke Doyle m Catherine Griar (nothing to do with your case I know)
1847 Luke Doyle dies.

1850 (Jun quarter) John R marries Catherine Doyle
John must have been in England from at least beginning of 1850.

1851 census - Brown Street -  John snr and John
the two Reddington children on that census are in fact Doyles.

1851 (December quarter) Bridget Reddington m Patrick Callaghan

do the witnesses at this marriage give any credence to these connections?

Erin I know you have researched them all especially your 3 x gt grandparents
so sorry if you have this already:

1851 Brown Street ( a couple of entries further on than the Reddingtons)
Patrick and Elizabeth Gahagen with a sister Bridget 21 yrs and a sister in law Mary 23 yrs. Both these are unmarried and listed under Gahagen but can't really both have the same surname.
Further on again, there is a Mary Calhagen with children including  son Patrick 21 yrs, daughter Betty 23 yrs. (I think I saw a Betty living with Patrick and Bridget later).

well that's it again 
best wishes
heywood

[mahees]

Hi heywood,   
 
 Thanks once again, I had some of that info but not all. I never actually clicked that the Gahagans were on Brown Street too for some reason. I also never thought about the fact that an unmarried sister-in-law must be Elizabeth's sister? 
Or maybe the 21 year old Bridget at that address is my 3x Great Grandmother?
I already had the entry for Patrick Callaghan and his family.
 
Patrick Callaghan and Bridget Reddington married on the 30th November 1851, Patrick aged 24 and Bridget aged 22, Both of Brown Street.
I have just checked the certificate, and I thought the witnesses were 2 unrelated people, but it turns out one of them was Mary Reddington! The other one is John Kelly, so not sure that helps, but could Mary Reddington be one of the 'sisters' staying with the Gahagans in 1851?

Hope I've made some sense; it seems we're raising more questions than we're solving! I suppose that's genealogy! 

Erin 

[heywood]

Mary Reddington (Hawkins) was married by then so perhaps that's not her. This leaves the vexing question of Mary Reddington - sister in law and Bridget Gahagen sister 

Just to add to all the questions this is raising:

Hawkins have a 8 yr old Maria Devin - lodger -
John and Catherine have Devine lodgers

wish we could have some divine inspiration to help us here 

[mahees]

 
I don't know if you noticed, but on the Gahagan 1851 image it doesn't say 'do' under the Gahagan name for anyone other that Patrick, yet it does on the other households by the same emumerator. This raises the question as to whether the enumerator just forgot to write the surnames in for that entry, and so might not be suggesting that either of the sisters had the surname Gahagan.

I'm going to join you in the Devine hunt, for some reason that name rings bells, I don't know if it's just because of the census you mentioned, but I think they might hold some kind of clue.