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Re: Nathaniel Hill & Family 1841 census look up please
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 18 September 07 06:13 BST (UK) »
1841 Norway Wharf St John Evangelist Westminster Mdx
H0107/737 f14 p21

George Helmore 50 Coal merchant
Frederick 20
George 20
Elizabeth 50
Emma 50
Harriett 20
Emma 9
Charlotte Thomas 40
Jane Price 25 FS
Hannah Catnach 15 FS

All born in county

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Re: Nathaniel Hill & Family 1841 census look up please
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 18 September 07 06:23 BST (UK) »
1851 Millbank St, St Peters Wharf St John Evangelist Westminster
H0107/1479 f21 p35 & 36

George H Helmore 63 St George Han Sq Coal Merchant
Elizabeth 62 Marylebone
Catherine 28 St James Mdx
Emma 19 St George Han Sq
George 29        "                 Coal Merchant
Emma 64 unm sister   "            (private property, description UK)
Charlotte E Thomas visitor 56         "                               Marylebone
Ellen Griffiths 29 Kenneston Flint House Servant
Catherine Hughes 27     "                        Cook

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Re: Nathaniel Hill & Family 1841 census look up please
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 18 September 07 06:36 BST (UK) »
This is WONDERFUL THANK YOU CAZAY!!

Yes I think this Nathaniel sounds too close a match with the children, etc. Hmmm without the servants though they might not have been as well off as she wanted people to believe!!

I wonder does Nathaniel appear in any further censuses after 1841?

Also is it possible to find out what happened to Ann Hill who married William Pocock? Here is their marriage notice from 1844 : "On the 14th inst. at St James Westminster by Rev. J.G. Ward rector William Pocock Esq. of Charterhouse-square to Ann second daughter of Nathaniel Hill Esq. of Regent-street" I think they MIGHT have had a daughter Annie Florence who married a Frederic Wimble - unusual name I'm hoping they might be asy to track?

Thank you again Cazay
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Liz
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Re: Nathaniel Hill & Family 1841 census look up please
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 18 September 07 06:52 BST (UK) »
I can't see Nathaniel in 1851 and Freebmd don't have a death either so he remains in limbo for the time being it seems.

Nathaniel's children in 1841 all have Ind (independent) listed against their names so looks like they didn't need to have jobs.

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Re: Nathaniel Hill & Family 1841 census look up please
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 18 September 07 07:11 BST (UK) »
Not finding them easily..........do you know when Annie Florence was born or occupation of William Pocock?
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Re: Nathaniel Hill & Family 1841 census look up please
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 18 September 07 07:20 BST (UK) »
That all sounds good for Nathaniel Hill Cazay it all fits nicely and it was great to see the other two daughters as well it would help explain that gap I'll look for them in the IGIs.

What great progress we've made - thank you!

As far as the Pococks go this is all the info I have on them it is really an unproven link to the Wimble's at the moment but it does seem to fit very nicely:

There was a William Pocock surgeon M.D. of Brixton around this time he had an eldest daughter Annie Florence who married  Frederick John Wimble son of F. Wimble Esq. surgeon of East Malling Kent on the 7th Sept 1871 at St Johns, Angell-town, Brixton (The Times, Monday, Sep 11, 1871 )

Here is that marr in Free BMDs:
Marriages Sep 1871
POCOCK Annie Florence     Lambeth    1d   396   
Wimble    Frederick John      Lambeth    1d   396
And Mr Wimble's probable death:
Deaths Dec 1907
WIMBLE    Frederick John aged 61    Southwark  1d   66

In IGIs but unproven just a listing:
Annie Florence Pocock Christening:  10 APR 1850      Brixton-St Matthew, Brixton, Surrey, England Parents:   Father:  William Pocock     Mother:     Ann

proven from IGIs:Marriages:Spouse:FREDERICK JOHN WIMBLE Marriage:  07 SEP 1871  Saint John The Evangelist, Lambeth, Surrey, England

Here they are in the 1881 census Fredk must have been born abt 1848:
Frederick J. WIMBLE Head M Male 33 Gt. Malling, Hampshire, England Colonial Broker   Annie Florence WIMBLE  Wife M Female  29  Brixton, Surrey, England            
Emma SPENCER      Visitor      MFemale   51  Burgess Hill, Sussex, England           Emily HARLEY      ServU female   21  Fulham, Middlesex, England Housemaid Domestic   
 Rachel CLARK      Serv      U Female   38   Hastings, Sussex, England Cook     

I hope it all makes sense  it's just my notes from research today.

thanks
Liz
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Re: Nathaniel Hill & Family 1841 census look up please
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 18 September 07 07:36 BST (UK) »
Found Annie and Frederick in 1891
7 Hopton Rd Streatham St Leonards London
RG12/456 f146 p56 & 57


Frederick J Wimble 44 East Malling Kent East India Broker
Annie F 39 Brixton Surrey
Annie Wimble sister 39 East Malling Kent Living on her own means
Clara Hulls 31 Westbury on Severn Gloucester Cook
Emily Summersby 23 Winchester Hampshire Housemaid
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Re: Nathaniel Hill & Family 1841 census look up please
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 18 September 07 07:50 BST (UK) »
Great!! and with a sister Annie for Frederick John. Isn't it great when they have a visiting sibling!
Census results are so interesting a real window into their lives.
thank you!!
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Re: Nathaniel Hill & Family 1841 census look up please
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 18 September 07 08:01 BST (UK) »
1851, 1 Barrington Cottages Lambeth Surrey
H0107/1575 f138 p20 & 21

William Pocock 33 Brighton Sussex General Practitioner M R G S E    L A C
Ann 32? Brighton Sussex
Edward W son 4 City of London
Thomas C son 3 Lambeth Surrey
Florence dau 3 mths       "
George Willis 22 Cavan Ireland Assistant M R G S E. L A C
Eliza Higgs 21 Hambeldon Buckinghamshire Gen Servant
Hannah Hinton 19 Horsham Sussex Gen Servant
Edward Town 16 City of London Errand Boy

Hoping all those initials are right, the M could also be N

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