John Shaw (Shay)

[mrbee]

Hi 
I have come to a stand still in my research, can anyone help me please?
I have traced my family back to 
John Shaw (Shay) born abt 1734 Swinton on Dearne
his wife Ann (maiden name Carr) born abt 1736 Swinton on Dearne married abt 1757
their children
Ann Shaw (Shay) 20.2.1758 christened Masbourgh Ind Chapel
Martha Shaw (Shay) 30.9.1759 christened Masbourgh Ind Chapel
Rhoda Shaw (Shay) 3.5.1762  Born Swinton
Joshua Shaw (Shay) 7.8.1764 Born Swinton
Sarah Shaw (Shay) 21.5.1767 Christened Masbourgh Ind Chapel
Ann Shaw (Shay) 27.3.1769 Born Swinton

This information is taken from the familysearch web site and I cannot find anymore information on John Shaw ( Shay)  or even which name I should be looking at and even which parish records? From his son Joshua the surname is defiantly Shaw.
Many Thanks
 
Regards
mrbee

[oly]

Hello mrbee,

At this time Swinton had a Chapel the church was at Wath on Dearne, records are available at
Doncaster Archives and Doncaster Family History Society.
Eight Shaw families are on the 1801 census including Joshua with two male children.
Ten Shaw families are on the 1821 census,  Jos Shaw has a family total of 11.
Fifteen Shaw families feature on the 1831 census Jos being a widower.
I was perusing the Swinton records the other day 1666 onwards.
A good read at the archives are the Overseers and Constables Account Books late 1700 early 1800's. the Shaw,s are mentioned in them, also available are actual bills for various Town accounts.

Regards Oly 

[mrbee]

Thanks for the reply Oly.  Are any of these records available on Cd's or is it a visit to Doncaster archives.
What was the name of the Swinton Chapel?
Regards
mrbee

[oly]

Hello again,

The original Norman Swinton Chapel was dedicated to St Margaret as is todays church, although some had it as St Mary Magdalen, things are never straight forward.
The early census records have been published in book form by Doncaster Family History Society, they have a good web site and are very helpful.

     http://www.doncasterfhs.co.uk

Rest of the stuff I mentioned requires a prior booking, mentioning your interest to Doncaster Archives, they are very helpful.
I was allowed to photograph the pages of the Overseers and Constable account Books of my interest, a few years ago now though. I also got copies of the doctors bills, apprentice forms, magistrates orders etc  dealing with my ancestors for the same period. All this for a small fee per page.
An example for your interest Archive ref P59/6/B/11 a bill, John Shaw.
                 To boots repaired 1-6,
                 New Boots 3-9
                 for Thompsons child.
John Shaw was a cobler late 1820's.

Doncaster Archives 

    www.doncaster.gov.uk/doncasterarchives

Regards Oly.

[Alex Oliver]

Firstly please accept apologies for any broken protocols, this is my first contact. I think an expert has already preceded me in this regard, however I have come across a Thomas Shaw whilst searching my own family. A rather old ancestor of mine lodged with him in 1851 according to the census. I googled Thomas Shaw in an attempt to shed light on why my several times great granddad had lived there.

As some of my family worked in ceramics I believe that is maybe how that came about. The ancestor in question is William Oliver, whom I believed was a tailor, from Wickersley b 1700s; however his father was also William, of unknown trade (to me). It could have been either as birth records are missing at the moment. Certainly in pottery at Swinton was George Oliver,  younger William's son. Also thereafter came Charles, Ada and others who worked at Swinton and Rawmarsh Old Pottery.

Whether or not any knowledge/documentation I've acquired in this process is of use to you or indeed vice-versa remains to be seen. It's just that in my slight experience snippets of useful info can emerge in docs you wouldn't even find let alone look at:)

[oly]

Hello Alex
Thanks for the input, interesting, William Oliver 1757 tailor birth place unknown, you say father also named William unknown trade,  could you furnish details where this information is gleaned from it would be highly appreciated.
oly 

[Alex Oliver]

Hi
Will have to scrape through docs, but even as I write new ones are being sent from a new source.
I had found William Oliver B Wickersley 17 something, its his dad William whom I only have a tentative grasp of if that. I came to them via George Oliver b Swinton 1800ish whose off-spring include pottery workers.

Will get back asap with whatever 'verification' I can:)

[Alex Oliver]

As I'm sure you're all aware dates can be a thing of conflict and fusion; but to get to William Oliver (which ever ones they/he pan out to be) may i lead you along my tree briefly.

My great great Grandfather was George Oliver b Swinton circa 1842 who married Jane Nettleton whose father was John Nettleton, Smithy living at Rotherham around 1865. My lineage is baffling but suffice to say two of George's sons had a part, one blood the other marriage in my line. All searchable on line (I use Latter Day Saints as it has the most info for free).

George's father was also George, b Swinton circa 1800. Records I found on line say 1804, but a newly found relative who has scrutinised many documents from this time suggests 1800. The online records I obtained show age at residences etc that compute to 04, but given some people's ages are approximate in official records as give or take 4 or 5 years the actual person is likely to be the same.

He married Ann - my searches have yet to find a surname but new relly gives us Gregson. He seemingly also had sons John Thomas and Samuel but I have found so much out lately I can't keep up. On searchable records I found parents for him called William and Mary. I think this might be a baptism not birth) at Middleton Tyas though i have no reason as to why that place, nor indeed why not.

William Oliver according to records I've been given married Mary Turner at Wickersley in 1782. Searchable records again show a couple of William Olivers births that would tie in. It is now that I stumble across a William Oliver staying with the Shaws and I hope to attach, a document to this post. Given the dizzying mess I'm in I cannot say if this is at all relevant, but given how much of my ancestors fit together despite erroneous data I tend to think their in before I rule them out. I hpe this at least eliminates an issue for you if it doesn't unearth one you missed.

I find that a google search with a date or the same with a spouse or whoever can bring surprises.

Cannot save to this pc (normally use Apple) so will try to paste here (ps it does not show occupations by pasting - Shaws were potters as were various Olivers, though I understand William was also a tailor:

William Oliver Census 1841
Name William Oliver
Place    Wath Upon Dearne, Yorkshire,Yorkshire West Riding, England
Residence    Swinton
Aged    80-84
born   1761-1765
Birth County County Yorkshire
Town   Rotherham
Book Number    11
Parish    Wath Upon Dearne
County    Yorkshire,Yorkshire West Riding
Page Number    11
Registration Number    HO107
Piece/Folio    1329/25
Household
Thomas Shaw       M    35-39    Yorkshire
Elizabeth Shaw       F    40-44    Yorkshire
Ann Shaw       F    15-19    Yorkshire
William Shaw       M    12    Yorkshire
Alfred Shaw       M    7    Yorkshire
William Oliver       M    80-84    Yorkshire

England and Wales Census, 1841
Line Number    15
Digital Folder Number    101721298
Image Number    00494