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Strange Memo . . .
« on: Wednesday 12 September 07 11:34 BST (UK) »
I wasn't sure where to post this, but I have an intriguing problem. Thomas Herbert Foss was my gt.gt.uncle. The only reference I have for him is the 1871 census when he was 7 years old, living with his father and sister in Mile End Old Town. His other sister age 10 was staying with an aunt and his mother was a visitor elsewhere. She died in the following year, age 41, and I'm currently awaiting her Death Cert. from GRO.
Although the rest of the family is well documented, I can't find any further reference to Thomas despite trying every variation of the name I can think of. I assumed that he probably died around the same time as his mother, and had put him in the "things to do" folder . . . my, how big that one is!  :o

Now for the intriguing bit . . . In an old notebook I discovered a memo written by his sister, dated June 3rd 1908 : "1st June 1908 Reminded me of my brother Thomas Herbert Foss.  Thank God if it is and help us to do right."

Clearly something happened to him, but was it simply an early death? The only likely record is 1888 in Poplar, but in that case he should appear somewhere on the 1881 census. Naturally I can find no death or other incident in the family for 1 June 1908 which might have propted the note ???

Maybe I should just leave it hanging in the air as a mystery, but if anyone can shed any light, or offer helpful suggestions, it would be one less item in the "to do" file. His birthplace was shown simply as London.

Mike.
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Re: Strange Memo . . .
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 12 September 07 11:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Mike,

Just a suggestion but possibly not related .....

I have one of my side branches in Oz marrying a guy called Foss (can't remember his first name but can check if reqd).

It's not a common name and was wondering if you had checked for any immigration records - possibly to Australia.

Good luck

Di


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Re: Strange Memo . . .
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 12 September 07 12:10 BST (UK) »
maybe he went missing?

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Re: Strange Memo . . .
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 12 September 07 12:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Mike

The Childrens' Act was introduced in 1908 ie. juvenile offenders treated differently from adults and other measures to help with the welfare of children.  Unfortunately, I don't know the date so can't say if it is significant but am wondering due to the tone and wording in your memo :-\

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_Act_1908

Whether it is significant or even relevant I can't say but it might be worth noting that many young offenders were sent to "farm" and/or "industrial" schools and subsequently shipped off to Canada.  See also http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ (children & education).

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Re: Strange Memo . . .
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 12 September 07 13:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Casa!

Thomas was born c 1864 according to the 1871 census, so if he went to prison or similar the Act wouldn't apply.  :-\

Mike

There is another Thomas FOSS of the same age, not sure whether it is him or your Thomas who becomes a brickmaker then a bricklayer and marries a Harriet?

Can find you the references if you haven't seen them.

kind regards, Arranroots  ;)

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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: Strange Memo . . .
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 12 September 07 13:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Arranroots

I was thinking if she was reminiscing in 1908 ie. what happened to him previously (if it did) would possibly be different if it happened in 1908 ;)

Of course, it may be of no relevance whatsoever though :-\

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Re: Strange Memo . . .
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 12 September 07 13:27 BST (UK) »
Ah yes, I see - sorry a bit slow today!

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Re: Strange Memo . . .
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 12 September 07 13:39 BST (UK) »
Looking in The Times on 3rd June 1908, there is a report of a kidnapping of a boy in London. It seems that the boy was fostered to a woman, and then the natural mother wanted him back, but the foster mother refused, hence the kidnapping.

Maybe Thomas was a foster brother and disappeared, and his "sister" hoped and prayed that he had been taken back to his natural mother? That may be why no records can be found.

Just a thought

Glen

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Re: Strange Memo . . .
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 12 September 07 13:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Mike,

Perhaps if you were to give us some more info it might help?

That is:
- details (including names) of the 1871 census entry for Thomas, his father and his sister
- details (including names) of the 1871 census entry for Thomas's mother (a visitor somewhere)
- details (including names) of the 1871 census entry for Thomas's sister (with an aunt)

And any info you have of what happened subsequently to all the people in the above entries.

JAP