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Re: Hori Norman of Selborne
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 09 September 07 20:29 BST (UK) »
Hi sproutie1

George Kemp and Elizabeth fry

daughters and partners

I have no info as of yet for Martha and  Elizabeth Kemp but
I can answer one question .

Mary Kemp was born 1816 died 1917 .
married to peter Phillips born 1815

Sarah Kemp was born 1807 died ?
married Charles cousins born ? 1807

this will narrow your search.

you may find that Horis was illegit and if he was born at sea in 1829 then there may not be a record. as they were not recorded till 1853.

Elizabeth or Martha may have had him out of wedlock and he may also go under a different surname as both martha and elizabeth may have remarried.I had this happen with a great great grand father on the other side of my family. so took a while to find him.

the Kemp's go back to 1605 so far in that area .as you say there are loads of us.

If George Norman was stationed there then check out the http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/bmd/
you can find military and other records here.

also check out http://www.censusfinder.com/

and http://emeraldancestors.com/  for the Irish look ups  for northern Ireland, Counties Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry and Tyrone


best wishes and happy searching





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Re: Hori Norman of Selborne
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Re: Hori Norman of Selborne
« Reply #11 on: Monday 10 September 07 12:05 BST (UK) »
oops sorry not aware.
will not post again.

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Re: Hori Norman of Selborne
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 11 September 07 10:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Sproutie and Kempie

Oh dear! Kempie! What a welcome ! The Big Red Pen  :( It has happened to us all - even still to some of us old hands who get nabbed occasionally when our concentration lapses.

But WELCOME - and please stay and post again  ;D

Well, I hadn't figured Sarah out from Census  - but I THINK Matthew COLE in Census. Looking likew Elizabeth died btw 1837-1841:
1841: HO107/ Piece 396/ B 17/ F  6 /  Pg 6
1851: HO107/ Piece: 1679/ F 275 / pg 9

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frpm Sproutie:
Why would (Hori) be with them aged 13 in 1841? Did people adopt back then?
A child could be with his grandparents in Census for any of the same reasons a child today may be - staying over a night or on holiday at Granny's,  living there because his parents died, etc - and it was also very common to farm the older kids out if the mother was busy giving birth to a new addition. The fact Hori stayed in the Selbourne area, married etc and no other Normans found there in that period, does suggest though, that Hori may have been living permanently with the KEMPs;  that something had befallen his parents - or, and this did happen,  either parent had remarried and the step-parent  didn't accept the children from earlier marriages. Or a spouse didn't accept an illigitimate step-child of his wife.

I don't think 'adoption' was formalised back then, especially inter-family?

Because of the repeating of the Hori name in the KEMP's it is suggested  that Hori's mother is the link - but it could I suppose have been that George NORMAN is the link to the KEMP's somehow.

It sounds quite feasible to me re: George NORMAN  ;D I reckon getting carried away can often carry us exactly to where we want to be  ;D

Cheers
AMBLY
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Re: Hori Norman of Selborne
« Reply #13 on: Friday 17 February 12 22:19 GMT (UK) »
There is in fact a large Army presence in the Selborne area . Namely the Bordon and Longmoor Camps . These have been active  for generations . Many Soldiers from there have married local girls

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Re: Hori Norman of Selborne
« Reply #14 on: Friday 17 February 12 22:24 GMT (UK) »
Blackmoor BurialsPage 82 no 651 September 19 1929 Harry NORMAN? aged 81 years Post Office Blackmoor

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Re: Hori Norman of Selborne
« Reply #15 on: Friday 04 April 25 03:13 BST (UK) »
I just came across this post and website and was intrigued as Hori Norman was my great great grandfather and I grew up in Selborne! I have only just begun tracing our family tree, my father died young and was told very little but I am happy to share what I know. Excited to be here!