old Kiddlington pub

[Maggie jo]

Hello Hazel,

Had great fun and hopefully found a lot out for you.

Kirtlington baptism
15 July 1807 Young Richard s Wm & Frances

Kidlington bapt (St Mary's)
19 July 1812 Watts Mary d James & Ann

Kidlington marriage
15 Dec 1834 Young Richard
                     Watts Mary. Lic.
                     Wit. Wm Watts  Hannah Watts

Kidlington baptisms
2.6.1837 Young William s Richard & Mary labourer
22.6.1841 Young Richard s Richard & Mary butcher
29.10.1843 Young James s Richard & Mary butcher
28.11.1847 Young Mary Elizabeth d Richard & Mary publican
24.2.1850 Young Hannah d Richard & Mary butcher
17.4.1852 Young Joseph s Richard & Mary publican
13.1.1856 Young Fanny d Richard & Mary publican

Then checked 1841 census HO 107 890/3 sch 11 page 15
On the Green, Kidlington.
Richard Young 30 butcher y
Mary Young 28 y
William 4 y
Annie 2 y
n k 1 day old y
John Goodson 7 f  (born foreign parts)

The next property on the census, still On the Green shows

Ann Watts 75 Public House y
Hannah Watts 30 y
Joseph White 28 carpenter y
Thomas Blease(?) 28 soldier n
Thomas Collier 20 soldier n

I couldn't find a baptism for Ann

Kidlington marriages

3.4.1862 Soden George Perkins bach blacksmith otp s James
               blacksmith
               Young Ann sp otp d Richard butcher
                Wit. Thomas Wren Amelia Hanwell
               
18.4.1888 Newport Abram Taylor 31 widr carpenter otp
                 Young Fanny 32 sp otp d Richard publican
                 Wit. William Scott Alice Young

Kidlington bapt
22.2.1869 Young James George s James & Sarah Ann butcher
                  Died 27 Feb

Kidlington burials
6.12.1859 Young Mary Elizabeth 12
2.3.1869 Young James George infant
5.8.1878 Young Joseph 26
26.8.1895 Young Mary 83
5.3.1896 Young Richard 88

That seems to be all I can find in the transcripts. Let me know if you want anything else looked up or checked out. I've found the house but hadn't got my camera as we were just driving somewhere and saw it. I will get a photo for you, promise.

Best Wishes

Maggie

[Trees]

Thank you so very much I've just got in after a wonderful concert with the BBC NOW and your post has added the icing to a great evening a photo would be perfect. So many people seem to have enjoyed helping me with my "pub crawl" Its been  great to meet so many helpful chatters
Hazel

[Trees]

Hi wow what a huge amount you found for me so much more than I had already BUT its opened a can of worms with the WATTS.
It certainly looks like  James WATTS and Ann SIMS who marry 1810 in Kidlington are the parents of Mary(1812) wife of Richard YOUNG.
It also seems that Richard took over the Dog in 1847 on the death of Ann WATTS
BUT Hannah WATTS from the 1841 census looks like the one bapt 1805 to James and Ann nee DAVIS who married Kidlington  2 Sep 1787 they had 9 children bapt ( I'm getting this from Family Search) Now they haven't got a James and there is a gap between Thomas bapt 1788 and William Bapt 1794. So I'm guessing that the gap was filled with at least a James who then marries Ann SIMS I think Ann DAVIS' James is the on Bap to John and Elizabeth 18 Sep 1764 and he dies before 1818(from  the enclosure map)
Please can you have a quick look to see if any other births appear in that 1788-1794 gap that could have been missed by the IGI transcribers and for a James WATTs burial 1808-1818?
Many thanks
Hazel

[Maggie jo]

Hi Hazel

Checked the baptisms between 1788-1794 but no other Watts appear in the transcription.

But to add a few more worms to your can I've found a baptism......
5.3.1815 Watts Mary d Thomas and Ann

Had a quick look but can only find 1 marriage for a Mary Watts (to Young) and no infant burials so not sure which one is yours!

Found Banns for 1787 & 1810 both for James Watts trying to find out more about them (or if they are one and the same?)

There are loads of entries for Watts. Do you want me to list them all for you? Might be easier to email?

Also the burial you were after
12.7.1814 Watts James  aged 52

Regards

Maggie

[Trees]

James WATTS m Ann DAVIS Sep 1787 I'm pretty sure it is his wid. on the Map and 1841 census she would have been b 1766 from the census and James was bap 1764 to John and Elizabeth Faulkner [who may well also link to my tree as a Mary Faulkner married Martin GILES (diresct line) in1765]
The James burial is his too although the date perfectly matches his older brother James who I assume died before 1764.
The other Banns must be for James and Ann SIMS parents of Mary They married 9 Sep 1810
Now as James and Ann DAVIS' last child is 1808 it is possible that there is only one James and both Ann Davis and Ann Sims must have been about the same age we have not got a birth /bapt for either Ann  If this is the case Ann SIMS may have been a widow which is why I cant find a bapt for Ann SIMS.
Mary who married Richard is consistently 1812 on the censuses 1841-1891 and she was given as 83 in1895 (burial) so I feel confident that she is James and Ann Sims' Mary  The Thomas married to Ann, who has the Mary 1815 would likely be Thomas 1788 son of James and Ann DAVIS either way Mary is related to Ann of the Dog the question being which Ann is this?

Could you look for a death of an Ann about 1808 that may point to a second marriage for James
Don't worry about the other WATTS for the moment I have 10 for James and Ann (Davis) 1 for James and Ann (Sims) 8 for William and Hannah? at least 7 Thomas and Ann there are two thomas and Ann families from 1826 with 16 children to share between them and 10for John and Elizabeth Faulkner
Wow some pub crawl this has turned into
Cheers
Hazel

[Maggie jo]

Kidlington Banns called Aug 19, 26 & Sept 2 1787 for James Watts & Anne Davis of Bletchingdon

Kidlington Banns called Aug 26 & Sept 2, 9 for James Watts & Ann Sims of Bicester

Bicester marriage 23.9.1810 of (wait for it!!!)
WATTS x THOMAS of Kiddington
Simms x Ann otp
Wit Charles x Spencer  Maria Welford

So I don't think you are looking for another James, I think it's a mis-transcription of James/Thomas & Kiddington/Kidlington. So making him Thomas bapt 22.6.1788 eldest son of John & Ann

Kidlington burials
18.4.1847 Watts Ann 84  (no Anns buried before this)
6.8.1866 Watts Ann 78  Woodstock
16.7.1878 Watts Thomas 83

I agree with your logic of Mary d James & Ann plus her witnesses at the wedding would then be her brother William & sister Hannah.

The name Watts first appears in the Kidlington registers with the 1758 marriage of John to Elizabeth Faulkner

Kidlington bapt 8 March 1733/34 Faulkner Elizabeth d Henry

There are numerous Faulkners and variations on that name going back to 1610 in the records. I'll let you sort this lot out and see what you think.

Have fun!!

Maggie

[DJFRENCH]

Blimey Maggie !! you deserve a gold star 

I used to live in Kidlington too  Left in 1969, went to Gosford School

Debz

[Trees]

Gold Star  and a halo Wow what a turn up for the books so that also clears up the children I had for that Thomas and a mystery Ann she was Ann Simms after all. Family search M038622 definately had James and Ann Sims and 9 Sep which as you found was one of the days the banns were called it just shows you can't rely on IGI even where it appears to be a register transcript not the first mistake we've found unfortunately.One RO refused to check an entry for me as the registers have been well covered by the IGI when we got to the Office and saw for ourselves there were blatant ommisions!
i dont know how to thank you enough for this
hazel

[Trees]

Oh Dear I've just found another one!!!
Elizabeth ELLARD widow of Thomas ELLARD was Inn Keeper of The Three Horse Shoes Banbury Rd Kidlington in 1881 any ideas about this one?
Trees
Getting boozier by the minute!