Cockermouth Businesses

[Gigi]

Hi Emms,

Happy New Year!!

Yes sometimes strange things happen with the email alert messages. I sometimes get two emails for the same posting!

I spoke to my mum again over christmas about family history but I've nothing new to report on the Ellwoods/Robinsons of Cockermouth.

Best regards,

Gillian

[jpakendal]

Hi all

I'm joining this thread quite late but think my family links in with the Cockermouth Robinsons.

I have 2 Maryport Palmer Robinsons - father and son. Father Palmer (who is my GGG Grandfather) was born in 1799 in Great Broughton, son of William Robinson and Ann Palmer. William and Ann had 6 sons and a daughter, one of the sons was a John who was born 1801.

This John Robinson is, I believe, the father of the Palmer Robinson who you have referred to on here as Palmer snr, and was born in about 1838 in Papcastle. Does this link sound plausible? I'm afraid that I have no proof of the link but the dates fit perfectly, John's place of birth is correctly listed as Gt Broughton in the 1851 census... and the name Palmer comes from John's mother's maiden name and also his brother.

Does anyone have any pictures of Palmer? I'd love to see them!

Best Wishes

John

[emmsthheight]

Hi John.

Welcome to Rootschat and Happy New Year! !

I got a surprise to see this old thread in my Inbox!  It's one of the first I contributed to!  We really need to wait until Gillian comes on and see what she has. 

I just had a play with Gillian's research because I'm in the area.  I've not had much chance to do any recently - sorry Gillian!  I've not forgotten!  I should have chance soon, though I'll have to start with things in the library until I can get to the record office.

I'll print off what you've written and see if I can think of anything local to help with proof.  There may be more wills, but that would have to wait until I can visit the record office.

I'll keep my eye on the post.

Welcome again.  I'm sure you'll get lots of help and enjoy it.  I have!

Happy New Year, Gillian when you come online!

Best wishes

Emms

[Gigi]

Hello John & Emms,

Welcome to Rootschat John & Happy New Year to you both.

Yes I think that we have a connection John!

I have William Palmer married Ann Palmer16/8/1798 Bridekirk.  John B1801 Great Broughton is quite likely their son. He was a carpenter. I do not have a baptism for him linking him to his parents.  I have 4 other siblings: Joseph b1802, Whittaker b1805, Jonah b1808, Dorothy b1811. This info came from another researcher.

John Robinson b1801 marr Mary Bell b1799 Whitehaven in 1825 Dissington. Their children were: Ann b1829, John b1833, Joseph b1836 & Palmer b1838. Palmer marr Martha Elliot 1861. They had no children. Palmer died 1909 Cockermouth.

John Robinson b1833 Papcastle marr Mary Robinson 24/12/1859 Cockermouth. He was a tailor. Their children were: Elizabeth b1860 (my g grandmother), Mary Jane b1861, William John b1863, Thomas b1864 & Hannah b1866 al Cockermouth. John died 1870 Cockermouth. His wife Mary had two children after her husband's death: Frederick b1878 & Ada b1880.

Emms, we were looking for the marriage of Ada Robinson. I had long discussions with family over Christmas and I now think she never married as it seems she was looking after her aged mother, Mary Robinson.

Does this all make sense to you John?

Best regards,

Gillian

[jpakendal]

Hi Gillian and Emms

Thanks for your friendly replies. Gillian... we are fifth cousins.

Your research all stacks up perfectly. What I've found out is as follows:

William Robinson married Ann Palmer in Bridekirk in 1798. They had 7 children; the reason you cannot find the baptism of John Robinson in 1801 is because they registered the births of their children with the Quakers (though they were not members), and you may know that Quakers do not baptise.

William and Ann had the followng children, all born in Gt Broughton:
Palmer (my GGG Grandfather), born 7 Jul 1799,
John, born 18 Jan 1801
Joseph, born 9 Dec 1802
Whitaker, born 3 Mar 1805
William, born 16 Feb 1807 and who died 14 May 1807
Jonah, born 14 Sep 1808
Dorothy Ann, born 17 Mar 1811.

By the time Dorothy Ann was born, William was listed as  a Yeoman.

I've traced Palmer's descendants since they are my own direct line, but know nothing about the others, with the exception of Dorothy Ann. She was mentioned in a letter which belongs to my mother's cousin, and from this I know she married a John Lacklinson. I ordered the certificate of her marriage of 26th June 1839, and it appears that her father, William Robinson who was listed as a weaver, was still alive at that time. Dorothy Ann and John married in the Registry Office at Cockermouth, as good Quakers did!

I've not been able to find William or Ann on the 1841 census.

My GGG Grandfather Palmer (born 1799) was baptised in 1821 at the Scotch Presbyterian Church in Maryport on the birth of his first son, Turner Shevils. He had married Sarah Shevils (or Shiffield or Sheffield) in 1821 and had two other children: Ann born 1823, and Mary (my GG Grandmother) born 1831. Palmer was a master mariner.

Thanks to your post Gillian I now know more about John's line!

Do you know what happened to any of the other siblings, and have you been able to trace what happened to William and Ann?

John
 

[Gigi]

Hi John,

Very interesting! Thanks for the extra information about the Quakers. I didn't know that the births were registered there. I had seen your Palmer Robinson, master mariner, in the census and wondered if he was connected.

If you send me your email address in a personal message, I can email you a genealogy report of my Robinsons.

Best regards,

Gillian

[john57sharp]

Hello John, I read this post with interest because I am looking for a connection between the Palmer family and the Sharp family in and around Maryport. My GG grandfather John Sharp married Mary Russell  and we suddenly started to see lots of people with first or middle names of Palmer in both the Sharps and the Russells but I have not yet been able to figure out why. Can you identify any connections from your research? Cheers in advance John sharp