RIPLEY ... Believe it or not. Please help

[archer2]

Henry William RIPLEY was born at No. 9, York Terrace, Regent’s Park in London on 28 April 1827.  He was a tea broker and Director of the General Assurance Company. He lived for most of his adult life at No. 1, King’s Road, Clapham Park in Surrey. He died there on 3 August 1905.

He was married on 3 June 1856 to Julia Henrietta WILLIAMS. They had issue ten children, including:

Edgar Hue RIPLEY, born in Clapham in 1864.

Edgar died, aged 29 years, in Liverpool, “the day after his arrival from South America”, on 23 February 1894.

Now things get murky.

It seems young Edgar was married to Bella Maud DAVIES - BUT I CANT PROVE IT WITH CERTAINTY AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE OR WHEN.

Bella was born in Birmingham in 1868. After Edgar's death she married [2] William Sydney Bartlett. When the national census was taken at the end of March 1901, she was living at No. 65, Cecile Road, Hornsey in Middlesex with her second husband, three children and a domestic servant.

It seems - but proof is maddeningly incomplete - that Edgar Ripley and Bella Davies had a son, Edgar William Frederick RIPLEY, who was born in Chile, South America in 1894 (possibly posthumously.)

Can anyone help, please ?
William

[aghadowey]

If Edgar and Bella were the parents of Edgar (born 1894 Chile?)... Edgar, Sr. was dead (1894) and Bella living with 2nd husband and 3 children in 1901 census... where was young Edgar (born 1894 Chile?)?
Could Edgar and Bella have married in Chile? Have you checked passengers leaving U.K. on www.findmypast.com? Where was Bella born? Could the marriage have taken place there?

Before posting this I had a look at findmypast and found 3 entries which look to be young Edgar:
-Edgar Ripley age 30 in 1921 Southampton to Pernambuco, Brazil
-William Ripley age 31 in 1922 Southampton to Santos, Brazil
-EWF Ripley 1929 Southampton to Rio De Janeiro, Brazil

[aghadowey]

1901 census- Edgar W.F. Ripley age 6 born Chili SA (British subject) also in Horsey, Middlesex. Listed as son?

[lizdb]

Hopefully, if young Edgar W F was a british subject, his birth will appear in the overseas birth index, ansd youcan send for his birth cert. ALso might be able to find parents marriage.

Think they are online at findmypast.
If not index books can be viewed in person at FRC Islington

[archer2]

Many thanks to you both for the suggestions!

I had noted EWF Ripley's trips to South America but I hadn't looked further yet, because they might not at this stage solve his murky descent.  Must get to them.

I will try the foreign births online (I've got to the age where I do the same research twice sometimes. I don't THINK I've checked these before !!) 

If something happens on that front I will report back.

index books can be viewed in person at FRC Islington

Not by me.  I live in Cape Town, South Africa.

Cheers!
William

[archer2]

p.s. I have been to the findmypast website and cannot find him in the GRO CONSULAR BIRTH INDICES (1849 to 1965).

But he was definitely born in Chile.

Strangely enough his mother returned to Chile some years later and died there during the First World War.  There was obviously an ongoing family relationship with the country.

[aghadowey]

Wonder if there's any connection to this company?:
www.cybercenter.cl/ripley/ingles/n_nego/ch_retail.html

[archer2]

I will follow it up and report back.

[archer2]

The Investor Relations officer at Ripley told me that the company was founded by the Calderon family in 1956, and referred me to their website.

I was able to find out that Ripley is a large group of department stores in Chile belonging to the Calderon family. The company was founded in 1956 as a men's clothing store, under the name Royal. In 1964, the first Ripley store was inaugurated, with a wider assortment of homeproducts.

The most likely place to find the answer to my query seems to be the will of Henry William RIPLEY who died at No. 1, King’s Road, Clapham Park in Surrey on 3 August 1905.

Any takers ?