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1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman (nee Holdgate)
« on: Wednesday 29 August 07 15:23 BST (UK) »
Hi

Could someone please find this lady for me? She is proving rather elusive! :-\

1839 born Elizabeth Holgate (perhaps Holdgate as a mistranscription) Thornton Dale - parents unknown
1860 Nov 24th married Thomas Sedman in Scarborough (I have the certificate for this)
1861 census: ??
1871 census: living at 5 Fish Yard, St. Thomas Street, Scarborough (RG10/4816  Folio: 111 Page: 44) Mary Jane Holgate sister aged 23 unmarried,  born Thornton, Yorkshire is staying with them.
1875 living at 6 Fish Yard, St. Thomas Street, Scarborough, North Yorks.
1881 census: living at 6 Fish Yard, St. Thomas Street, Scarborough, York. (RG11/4803 Folio: 104 Page: 26)
1891 census: living at 6 Fish Yard, St. Thomas Street, Scarborough, Yorks. (RG12/3965 Folio: 35, Page: 65) Robert Sedman (Thomas' brother) is staying with them too.
1901 census: living at 6 Fish Yard, St. Thomas Street, Scarborough, Yorks (RG13/4531 Folio: 54  Page: 46) Robert Sedman (brother-in-law) is staying with them.
1910 Dec 1/4 died in Scarborough aged 71

I have found her husband, Thomas, in 1861 living at the Talbot Hotel, Queen Street, Scarborough, Yorks. (RG9/3617 Folio: 81 Page: 27), so Elizabeth is going to be alone, or maybe with her parents and sister Mary Jane Holgate?

It would also be interesting to find her in 1851 and 1841 if at all possible!

Many thanks in advance.

MT ;)
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DOBSON in Edinburgh, Wakefield, York and Scarborough
SUTTON in Wintringham and Scarborough
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Re: 1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman, Scarborough
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 29 August 07 15:40 BST (UK) »
The only Elizabeth I can see is this one, but the sister isn't in evidence.  What is her father's name from the marriage certificate?

1851
Malton Gate, Farmanby, Yorkshire
George Holdgate Head M 39 Stone Mason Yorks Pickering
Marwin Wife M 37 Yorks Kirby Moorside
Elizabeth daur 11 Yorks Thornton
Margaret daur 7 Scholar " "
James son 9 " " "
George son 5 " " "
HO107; Piece: 2373; Folio: 314; Page: 16
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Re: 1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman, Scarborough
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 29 August 07 16:31 BST (UK) »
Of course! Silly me! I had forgotten that the father's name is on the marriage certificate!  ::)

Yes - that IS the family! Father is George, a stonemason. The witnesses are a William Pexton and Ann Holgate - must be another rellie!

Seems I was right on the 'Holdgate' theory too!

Any luck on the 1841 and 1861 now, please?

MT ;)
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Re: 1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman, Scarborough
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 29 August 07 17:26 BST (UK) »
IGI marriages

1833, 20th July, Pickering, North Yorks.: George Holdgate and Marwin Dennis

Seems that only the wedding registrar got my Elizabeth wrong, putting her as HOLGATE when she married Thomas Sedman - the family name appears to be HOLDGATE!

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SEDMAN in Scarborough, Scalby, Everley and Hackness
BIRD in Easington, Patrington, Sculcoates and Hull
DOBSON in Edinburgh, Wakefield, York and Scarborough
SUTTON in Wintringham and Scarborough
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Re: 1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman, Scarborough
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 August 07 19:54 BST (UK) »
Case closed, I believe - EXCEPT FOR THE ORIGINAL REQUEST of the 1861 census!

I have found the family myself in 1841, using my discs which employ the most dreadful images!

HO107/1260/09 folio 10 pages 13 and 14

Whitby gate, Farmanby, North Yorks.
George Holdgate, 30,  Mason,  Born in county
Marwin      "        ,  25
John          "        ,   5,  born in county
Ann           "        ,   3,           "
Elizabeth   "        ,   1,           "

That answers the question of where the Ann Holgate (sic) came from on the marriage certificate! :)

MT ;)
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PASHBY in Scarborough, Levisham, and outlying area
SEDMAN in Scarborough, Scalby, Everley and Hackness
BIRD in Easington, Patrington, Sculcoates and Hull
DOBSON in Edinburgh, Wakefield, York and Scarborough
SUTTON in Wintringham and Scarborough
ROSS in Edinburgh and outlying districts

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Re: 1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman (nee Holdgate)
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 30 August 07 12:46 BST (UK) »
Well the image may be slightly better but the handwriting isn't, transcribed as Haislgate!  PM me your addy I have treats for you, not yet done anything about the 1861 one though.
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Re: 1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman (nee Holdgate)
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 30 August 07 13:12 BST (UK) »
I have Elizabeth's brother in Lilic Cottage, Yedingham, Yorkshire
Working for farmer William Green are a number of servants including
James Holdgate Servant Unm 17 Ploughboy Yorkshire Thornton
RG9; Piece: 3623; Folio: 63; Page: 2
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Re: 1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman (nee Holdgate)
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 30 August 07 13:23 BST (UK) »
I have not a clue whether this might be George - you decide

Forest Moor, Scriven with Tentergate, Yorkshire
Farmer Richard Swale with his wife Eliza and children have servants including
George Holdgate SErvant Unm 16 Carter Yorkshire Bilton
 RG9; Piece: 3205; Folio: 46; Page: 2
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Re: 1861 look-up please - Elizabeth Sedman (nee Holdgate)
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 30 August 07 13:52 BST (UK) »
I don't know where Ann is in 1851, a couple of possibles but no probable.  By Elizabeth's marriage certificate it would seem that Ann may not have been married in 1861 so this could be her.

Otterington House, North Otterington, Yorkshire
Jesse Cumming Head of Household Unm 33 Housekeeper Scotland Greenlaw
Ann Holgate Housemaid Unm 22 Housemaid Yorkshire Thornton
and a couple of other servants.

Just found a death for Marwin Hollgate Q1 1874 Scarborough 9d 213 age 62
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